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Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:26 am to Solo Cam
I don't feel like there's significance from it.
I also don't really recall it resulting in a big play or anything special.
It's unique though. I'm unhappy to see Stanford run it. They don't run it as much though.
I also don't really recall it resulting in a big play or anything special.
It's unique though. I'm unhappy to see Stanford run it. They don't run it as much though.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:36 am to I-H8-BAMA
quote:Maybe a couple not lost, but I really can't recall a mishandled LSU toss under Miles. (surely would've caused a lot of noise
Just seems like there's a greater chance of fumbling in my opinion.
) I have seen quite a few fumbled handoffs over the years.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:54 am to Cajunomics
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I also don't really recall it resulting in a big play or anything special.
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You can play action for a big play too
Not a big play but educates you guys on the design of the play.
The play is not the problem. The frequency in which they call it is the problem.
Just because I found it in my search and it is always fun to watch it.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:07 am to Solo Cam
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Personally I hate it for the simple reason that it takes away any chance of play action, which is where I believe Harris is at his best.
Why the hell would that matter? The use of the play action is when youre passing. The toss dive isnt a pass play. The ability to play action only matters if youre passing.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:15 am to TheCaterpillar
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For a back with as many carries as he had, he still has the record. Guice was higher, but had a fraction of the carries and barely any early against top competition.
Na Chubb broke the record the next season.
Chubb had 219 carries and 7.1 ypc in 2014
Hill had 203 carries and 6.9 ypc in 2013.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:16 am to JodyPlauche
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Imagine if LF7 had a 3000 yard passers-by and two 1000 yard recievers.
It would be unfair for every other rb.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:27 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I don't see where faking the toss is a problem.
The use of the play action is when youre passing.
Blocking sells run more than the the PA fake delivery, and by the time DB sees no toss happened it should be too late.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:38 am to Mayhawman
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don't see where faking the toss is a problem.
Blocking sells run more than the the PA fake delivery, and by the time DB sees no toss happened it should be too late.
Exacly. Play action is used to create just a split second where the defense pauses.all your wr needs is a step or two.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:13 pm to TROLA
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My only issue with the play is that it requires the RB to take his eyes away from the potential hole and catch the ball.. The benefit is that its allows him to get the ball quicker in a deeper position running downhill.
It also allows the defense to read the play quicker.
But I don't really mind the play, just wish we wouldn't use it quite so much.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:53 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Please elaborate.
It also allows the defense to read the play quicker.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:57 pm to Mayhawman
I recorded a bunch of the games during the LSU takeover on ESPNU and in the 1997 LSU win over Florida LSU ran the toss dive with Faulk numerous times. Apropos of nothing, but I smirked when I saw it...
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:00 pm to Mayhawman
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It also allows the defense to read the play quicker.
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Please elaborate.
uh, when the QB retreats into the backfield to (possibly) hand off to the RB, the defense doesn't yet know whether it will be play action or an actual handoff. They have to wait to see if the handoff actually occurs.
In the toss dive, the D knows as soon as the ball is tossed what's happening.
And since the toss occurs a little faster than an actual handoff, so the D gets the read a bit quicker.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:34 pm to Stud Bud
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Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:50 pm to atltiger6487
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In the toss dive, the D knows as soon as the ball is tossed what's happening.
And since the toss occurs a little faster than an actual handoff, so the D gets the read a bit quicker.
This is correct but the RB is also getting the ball faster and deeper in the backfield and can read where that LB is going and make a cut to find another hole. Again it is a play that can and has worked and the play is not the problem. LSU runs the play too much is the problem.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:52 pm to Solo Cam
Have no problem with it.
My problem is that we are so predictable, it makes the toss dive, and everything else, less effective.
My problem is that we are so predictable, it makes the toss dive, and everything else, less effective.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:59 pm to geauxtigers33
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This is correct but the RB is also getting the ball faster and deeper in the backfield and can read where that LB is going and make a cut to find another hole. Again it is a play that can and has worked and the play is not the problem. LSU runs the play too much is the problem.
not so sure about that. Yes, the toss comes quicker than a handoff, but the RB has to watch the ball to catch it, so can't see the D until that occurs. With a handoff stuck in his gut, the RB's eyes never have to leave the D.
Agreed that the play can work, but we use it too much.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 3:07 pm to atltiger6487
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not so sure about that. Yes, the toss comes quicker than a handoff, but the RB has to watch the ball to catch it, so can't see the D until that occurs. With a handoff stuck in his gut, the RB's eyes never have to leave the D.
Handoffs still take some concentration on the running backs part along with the fact he cant do anything until he knows it is in there.
The whole point of the toss is to get the RB the ball deeper in the backfield. He gets the ball at 6 yard instead of around 4 yards.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 3:22 pm to Penrod
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. . . with their original opinions in tact . . .
Freudian spacebar typo?
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