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Tired of bashing JJ threads...
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:21 pm
Been reading threads all season about Johnny cant coach,can only recruit, no X and O's, lack of timeout usage, yada yada...
As for our early season struggles, young team without all its pieces trying to gel, is how I see it. Should we have won a fee more games, yes, but it is what it is.
As for the Oklahoma game, I attended, Johnny coached a good game period... Hield just hit shots, Ben didn't want the ball when he got it and he had plenty of opportunities in the 2nd half to contribute. For all his talents, he is young and we have to remember that he is just becoming accustomed to big time basketball. Australian basketball is a far cry from the pressures of being the afterthought #1 NBA prospect, trying win a game against the #1 team in the nation, all the while on national t.v. against your main competition for Player of the Year accolades.
Yes we should have won, yes,Ben should have done more,in the 2nd half and should of taken the last shot but he didn't.
Johnny did a good job of substitutions, called quality plays to get players good shots, got on the refs for bogus calls, which he's started to do as of late, and called key timeouts when he needed to...
Anybody in the country, but Hield, in that game yesterday and we would have won. Hield just had a Player of the Year game which he is supposed to have to win the award. Can't blame Johnny for putting his two best perimeter players on him and still end up with 32 points. Dude is having an all time year and we just are a part of it.
Now, maybe Victor should have gotten more looks in the 2nd half because he was a considerable factor in the 1st half but I give Johnny a pass because those touches went to Ben, who was too passive as definitively known. That's my only qualm with the strategy in the whole game and maybe Ben getting the last look and shot of the game, but in split second situations, you could always 2nd guess a decision, especially with less than 4 seconds left.
Johnny has his shortcomings, but the Oklahoma game and loss wasn't due to him. Ben was too passive and Hield shot lights out as he's done all year. At some point, we have to hold players accountable and say it's on them.
Johnny coached a good game, we fell short. However, we can take solace in the fact that if we play with the same energy for the rest of the year, not only will we make the tournament, but we will DEFINITELY be a threat to go far.
Stop bashing Johnny, support the team through good wins and losses, and hope that every game the players learn a little more about themselves to give a good effort in the postseason.
As for our early season struggles, young team without all its pieces trying to gel, is how I see it. Should we have won a fee more games, yes, but it is what it is.
As for the Oklahoma game, I attended, Johnny coached a good game period... Hield just hit shots, Ben didn't want the ball when he got it and he had plenty of opportunities in the 2nd half to contribute. For all his talents, he is young and we have to remember that he is just becoming accustomed to big time basketball. Australian basketball is a far cry from the pressures of being the afterthought #1 NBA prospect, trying win a game against the #1 team in the nation, all the while on national t.v. against your main competition for Player of the Year accolades.
Yes we should have won, yes,Ben should have done more,in the 2nd half and should of taken the last shot but he didn't.
Johnny did a good job of substitutions, called quality plays to get players good shots, got on the refs for bogus calls, which he's started to do as of late, and called key timeouts when he needed to...
Anybody in the country, but Hield, in that game yesterday and we would have won. Hield just had a Player of the Year game which he is supposed to have to win the award. Can't blame Johnny for putting his two best perimeter players on him and still end up with 32 points. Dude is having an all time year and we just are a part of it.
Now, maybe Victor should have gotten more looks in the 2nd half because he was a considerable factor in the 1st half but I give Johnny a pass because those touches went to Ben, who was too passive as definitively known. That's my only qualm with the strategy in the whole game and maybe Ben getting the last look and shot of the game, but in split second situations, you could always 2nd guess a decision, especially with less than 4 seconds left.
Johnny has his shortcomings, but the Oklahoma game and loss wasn't due to him. Ben was too passive and Hield shot lights out as he's done all year. At some point, we have to hold players accountable and say it's on them.
Johnny coached a good game, we fell short. However, we can take solace in the fact that if we play with the same energy for the rest of the year, not only will we make the tournament, but we will DEFINITELY be a threat to go far.
Stop bashing Johnny, support the team through good wins and losses, and hope that every game the players learn a little more about themselves to give a good effort in the postseason.
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Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:23 pm to irvchilichill1
A lot of these people don't like him and didn't like the cheap hire. That's why you get these threads. They've been upset since the start.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:29 pm to irvchilichill1
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called quality plays to get players good shots,
Gonna need you to point out specific plays. I must have missed them.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:37 pm to Pnels08
People act like the players don't want to be at their best and win games.
People act like Johnny hasn't been coaching for years and is just oblivious to the game of basketball. He knows more basketball than 99 percent of the world, let alone, on the Rant. Dude got hired for a reason and I have to believe it's more than a token hire and a "favor" to Dale and the governor. Yall trippin.
Could he do better? Maybe, but I guess we could treat him like Les, after every loss and play armchair coach and say what we woulda, coulda, shoulda done.
He is getting better as a coach and this team is getting better and that is evident by the quality of game we saw Saturday. Going from losing to College of Charleston to should have won against the #1 team in the nation, in the fashion we did, is no small feat.
That game let us know that we are heading in the right direction and just need to tweek a few things and at the end of the day, we only go as far as Ben's aggressiveness and assertiveness when it counts, along with Victor staying out of foul trouble, Quatermann being "engaged" in the game and Gray limiting his turnovers when he is in the game. That's not coaching, that's players knowing their roles and performing accordingly.
People act like Johnny hasn't been coaching for years and is just oblivious to the game of basketball. He knows more basketball than 99 percent of the world, let alone, on the Rant. Dude got hired for a reason and I have to believe it's more than a token hire and a "favor" to Dale and the governor. Yall trippin.
Could he do better? Maybe, but I guess we could treat him like Les, after every loss and play armchair coach and say what we woulda, coulda, shoulda done.
He is getting better as a coach and this team is getting better and that is evident by the quality of game we saw Saturday. Going from losing to College of Charleston to should have won against the #1 team in the nation, in the fashion we did, is no small feat.
That game let us know that we are heading in the right direction and just need to tweek a few things and at the end of the day, we only go as far as Ben's aggressiveness and assertiveness when it counts, along with Victor staying out of foul trouble, Quatermann being "engaged" in the game and Gray limiting his turnovers when he is in the game. That's not coaching, that's players knowing their roles and performing accordingly.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:45 pm to irvchilichill1
The funny thing is when the team wins it is never the coach, it is always some players appreciation thread.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:48 pm to irvchilichill1
Dude you're gonna get killed, but you're absolutely right. If LSU wins that game, Johnny gets zero love...but we lost so it's all his fault. No credit at all that we only lost by 2.
Also don't forget, Oklahoma played a Hell of a game. It's not like they sucked and we pulled off a miracle. I think both teams play about B+. Those were 2 equal teams battling. Hornsby had an off night and so did JP. Simmons only took 7 shots.
If Hornsby goes 2/6 instead of 1/6 from 3, we win.
Also don't forget, Oklahoma played a Hell of a game. It's not like they sucked and we pulled off a miracle. I think both teams play about B+. Those were 2 equal teams battling. Hornsby had an off night and so did JP. Simmons only took 7 shots.
If Hornsby goes 2/6 instead of 1/6 from 3, we win.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:51 pm to CalTiger53
Ehhh idk about that I remember a couple games ago people actually complimented him on his strategic substitutions, but he has no idea how to call plays
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:51 pm to LSUButt
His in game coaching is fine, its not legendary or HOF worthy but it not pathetic. My main beef has been how the team doesn't seem to want to play in most games against weaker comp which causes them to lose focus and play lazy. Mostly the case last season and not as much this. If the teams come out with fire tuesday it would be a welcomed surprise.
Also anyone know the contract details about Suhr? Stallings might be on the market after this season and even though he is a whines 24/7 he could be a valuable guy on the bench
Also anyone know the contract details about Suhr? Stallings might be on the market after this season and even though he is a whines 24/7 he could be a valuable guy on the bench
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:53 pm to Tigerclassof19
Do you think Simmons plays like the hype that was generated by the media? Not even close and yes all the hype was generated based on 3 freshmen; JJ is over achieving if you see what those freshmen do on the court.
This post was edited on 2/1/16 at 12:35 am
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:01 am to irvchilichill1
Relax man. Irrationality is what the Rant does best.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:04 am to CalTiger53
He didn't generate the hype YOU did, he goes out and plays the game he doesn't compare himself to lebron or magic. The people in the media and rant do. He never generated hype, he plays the game
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:06 am to Pnels08
Pnels08, getting up for games is on the players. Johnny and any coach for thay matter,can only motivate so much...
At the end of the day, our players came to LSU to compete and try to win a national championship for themselves. Case in point, we feel Quartermann only shows up for "big games," which I don't truly believe, but for the sake of argument may be true. That's not on the coach that's on the player.
It's like players are absolve of blame and any negative aspect of the team is blamed on Johnny. I don't see it that way. I've played basketball at a high level, and at the end of the day, my motivation was not due to "pep talks" from a coach, it was because I wanted to perform and had pride in trying to accomplish a feat.
Johnny IS getting better as a coach and getting accustomed to pressure basketball. The players have to follow suit and recognize the task at hand, which I believe they are and they are getting better at. We have to remember that we are a young team, outside of Hornsby and with that there is a learning curve. Our "best" player is a freshman from Australia, remember that and realize that we are matriculating through a season to get where we need to be. Hopefully, it results in a tournament bid and all we can do is take it one game at a time from there... I believe, just wish our "supporters" would see it that way....
At the end of the day, our players came to LSU to compete and try to win a national championship for themselves. Case in point, we feel Quartermann only shows up for "big games," which I don't truly believe, but for the sake of argument may be true. That's not on the coach that's on the player.
It's like players are absolve of blame and any negative aspect of the team is blamed on Johnny. I don't see it that way. I've played basketball at a high level, and at the end of the day, my motivation was not due to "pep talks" from a coach, it was because I wanted to perform and had pride in trying to accomplish a feat.
Johnny IS getting better as a coach and getting accustomed to pressure basketball. The players have to follow suit and recognize the task at hand, which I believe they are and they are getting better at. We have to remember that we are a young team, outside of Hornsby and with that there is a learning curve. Our "best" player is a freshman from Australia, remember that and realize that we are matriculating through a season to get where we need to be. Hopefully, it results in a tournament bid and all we can do is take it one game at a time from there... I believe, just wish our "supporters" would see it that way....
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:15 am to irvchilichill1
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We have to remember that we are a young team, outside of Hornsby and with that there is a learning curve.
The youth angle never seems to die around here.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:19 am to c on z
Well if you look at it most of the top 15 teams are full of seniors and juniors.
Honestly we have been a top 30 team since Victor joined us imo
Honestly we have been a top 30 team since Victor joined us imo
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:22 am to irvchilichill1
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called quality plays to get players good shots
meh
we ran the same play over and over again.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:24 am to irvchilichill1
Also, that damn Buddy Hield had a hellava game. He was the reason they won and it took an effort like that to beat us. That's what I take from the game.
We are a quality team and I wish we had another inside presence to rotate between Victor, because for all of Ben's skills, an inside presence is not one of them as now. He got the ball on the blocks, and played with the ball. He's a 3 and it is what it is. If we had Mikey back, we would be lights out better, but we dont, I digress.
Our team is our team and we can do good things, can we win a chip? Probably not. Will it take winning the better of our conference games to get in the tourney at this point? Probably so... But we can and we should. We are a good team when motivated and when the players stay in their lane, so to speak.
Our season rides upon Ben "growing up" and Victor giving us a inside presence. If we get that we will have a chance to go as far as we supposed to, whatever that may be.
The point is, Johnny is starting to get it... He's not Coach K, but not many are. He's brought back the excitement of Tiger basketball, by number of threads I see and by the disdain for him.. That's a good thing. That means he is on the upswing and hopefully it gets better....
We are a quality team and I wish we had another inside presence to rotate between Victor, because for all of Ben's skills, an inside presence is not one of them as now. He got the ball on the blocks, and played with the ball. He's a 3 and it is what it is. If we had Mikey back, we would be lights out better, but we dont, I digress.
Our team is our team and we can do good things, can we win a chip? Probably not. Will it take winning the better of our conference games to get in the tourney at this point? Probably so... But we can and we should. We are a good team when motivated and when the players stay in their lane, so to speak.
Our season rides upon Ben "growing up" and Victor giving us a inside presence. If we get that we will have a chance to go as far as we supposed to, whatever that may be.
The point is, Johnny is starting to get it... He's not Coach K, but not many are. He's brought back the excitement of Tiger basketball, by number of threads I see and by the disdain for him.. That's a good thing. That means he is on the upswing and hopefully it gets better....
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:24 am to irvchilichill1
Also, that damn Buddy Hield had a hellava game. He was the reason they won and it took an effort like that to beat us. That's what I take from the game.
We are a quality team and I wish we had another inside presence to rotate between Victor, because for all of Ben's skills, an inside presence is not one of them as now. He got the ball on the blocks, and played with the ball. He's a 3 and it is what it is. If we had Mikey back, we would be lights out better, but we dont, I digress.
Our team is our team and we can do good things, can we win a chip? Probably not. Will it take winning the better of our conference games to get in the tourney at this point? Probably so... But we can and we should. We are a good team when motivated and when the players stay in their lane, so to speak.
Our season rides upon Ben "growing up" and Victor giving us a inside presence. If we get that we will have a chance to go as far as we supposed to, whatever that may be.
The point is, Johnny is starting to get it... He's not Coach K, but not many are. He's brought back the excitement of Tiger basketball, by number of threads I see and by the disdain for him.. That's a good thing. That means he is on the upswing and hopefully it gets better....
We are a quality team and I wish we had another inside presence to rotate between Victor, because for all of Ben's skills, an inside presence is not one of them as now. He got the ball on the blocks, and played with the ball. He's a 3 and it is what it is. If we had Mikey back, we would be lights out better, but we dont, I digress.
Our team is our team and we can do good things, can we win a chip? Probably not. Will it take winning the better of our conference games to get in the tourney at this point? Probably so... But we can and we should. We are a good team when motivated and when the players stay in their lane, so to speak.
Our season rides upon Ben "growing up" and Victor giving us a inside presence. If we get that we will have a chance to go as far as we supposed to, whatever that may be.
The point is, Johnny is starting to get it... He's not Coach K, but not many are. He's brought back the excitement of Tiger basketball, by number of threads I see and by the disdain for him.. That's a good thing. That means he is on the upswing and hopefully it gets better....
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:27 am to c on z
I don't get why people around here (namely you), downplay this. Oklahoma had 3 seniors and 1 junior starting. Go look at the top 10, 15, 20 teams. You will be very devastated because your argument is shite.
They're littered with upperclassmen. You think Iowa would be #3 if they had 4 freshmen instead of 4 seniors starting? Or how about this...UNC is #2. You don't know much, but who are UNC's top 2 players? Brice Johnson and Marcus Paige. Both SENIORS. Texas A&M hasn't been to the tourney in forever...but they're top 10 this season. Coincidence they have 3 seniors in their starting lineup?
Literally this is EVERY team in the top 10-15...every single team. Who are the teams that are struggling? Kentucky...Duke...Cal. Cal was top 20 team like LSU. Know how many seniors they have starting? Zero. I could go on for days. Like all damn day
They're littered with upperclassmen. You think Iowa would be #3 if they had 4 freshmen instead of 4 seniors starting? Or how about this...UNC is #2. You don't know much, but who are UNC's top 2 players? Brice Johnson and Marcus Paige. Both SENIORS. Texas A&M hasn't been to the tourney in forever...but they're top 10 this season. Coincidence they have 3 seniors in their starting lineup?
Literally this is EVERY team in the top 10-15...every single team. Who are the teams that are struggling? Kentucky...Duke...Cal. Cal was top 20 team like LSU. Know how many seniors they have starting? Zero. I could go on for days. Like all damn day
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:29 am to irvchilichill1
This post and thread that goes along with it is right on point.... I support Coach Jones! Glad he's coaching our tigers!
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:52 am to CalTiger53
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The funny thing is when the team wins it is never the coach, it is always some players appreciation thread.
It's the same story with every LSU coach, no matter what sport it is. From football thru mens and womens basketball, baseball, softball all the way down to co-ed tiddleywinks if there was such a thing.
Hell, I read a post earlier today about the gymnastics team taking second place in whatever tournament they completed in this weekend, and the moron stated in his post that DD can't coach.
I read some of the idiotic posts littered throughout this site and wonder why all the expert coaches are here posting on the rant instead of making millions of dollars leading their own programs somewhere.
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