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Throwing the ball over the middle of the field
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:39 pm
Is it more difficult for QBs to do this?
I don't know a whole sit ton about football, so I could be way off here. But it seems to me that throwing it over the middle of the field would result in the QB getting rid of it faster and having a shorter/easier throw. The middle of the field seemed to be WIDE open very often Saturday, but most of our throws were outside of the numbers. I'm not talking about throwing it deep over the middle of the field. I'm talking 5-15 yard routes. When we did it, it seemed to work.
Do we avoid it because LBs are lurking in the middle sometimes and it makes a more difficult read for the qb? Do we avoid it because throwing over or through the defensive line makes it more difficult?
Somebody smarter than me explain please.
I don't know a whole sit ton about football, so I could be way off here. But it seems to me that throwing it over the middle of the field would result in the QB getting rid of it faster and having a shorter/easier throw. The middle of the field seemed to be WIDE open very often Saturday, but most of our throws were outside of the numbers. I'm not talking about throwing it deep over the middle of the field. I'm talking 5-15 yard routes. When we did it, it seemed to work.
Do we avoid it because LBs are lurking in the middle sometimes and it makes a more difficult read for the qb? Do we avoid it because throwing over or through the defensive line makes it more difficult?
Somebody smarter than me explain please.
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:43 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Under throws and over throws result more in picks as opposed to throwing to the sideline.
That's why LSU never threw a pass between the hashes after Lee's struggles with pick 6s.
That's why LSU never threw a pass between the hashes after Lee's struggles with pick 6s.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:44 pm to LsuTool
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Under throws and over throws result more in picks as opposed to throwing to the sideline
Makes sense. Etling has not had major accuracy issues though.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:44 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Not hard for anyone but us
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:45 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
More defenders over middle of field. They stopped throwing it over the middle when Jarrett Lee threw 6 pick 6s
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:45 pm to GeauxTigerNation
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Not hard for anyone but us
I watch every other college game I can and it seems every single team is firing balls all over the field. It seemed to me it was open 90% of the time against Syracuse, but we didnt take advantage of it much. One of the times we did resulted in a long touchdown pass.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:45 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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smarter than me
Smarter than I
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:49 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Etling has said the coaches put a major emphasis on not turning the ball over hence we arent going to use all of the field in the passing game. Throws in the middle lead to INTs.
And I'm not saying this is the right way to go about it at all...
And I'm not saying this is the right way to go about it at all...
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:59 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Do we avoid it because LBs are lurking in the middle sometimes and it makes a more difficult read for the qb? Do we avoid it because throwing over or through the defensive line makes it more difficult?
Winner, winner.
The "Golden Zone" is in between the hash marks and the numbers. It is beneficial for all involved, easy throw for the qb and wr usually has space or only one man to beat. Throwing over the middle of the field means the ball has to pass the defensive line and enter center field where LBs, SSs, FSs, and DB,s lurk and if a WR tips the ball it is almost certainly an interception.
If you pay attention to the passes made in the last 4 games you will notice a majority go to the sideline or over the top behind safeties. This is done to minimize turnover. However, LSU WRs do run across the middle and some even get open, but the ball seems to always go to the perimeter which means two things; 1) Etling doesn't have the confidence/accuracy to make the throw, or 2) The coaches tell him not to throw across the middle. I think #2 is the most likely, because of Etling's weak arm and conservative play calling style of Canada (so for this season). The way this offense plays, an interception(s) would absolutely kill us so we play scared and limit what we can do.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:59 pm to LsuTool
Miles did throw deep middle some in 2013. What you are referencing is short to intermediate middle. That's what miles was scared shitless of.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:00 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
That option is referred to as the Jarrett Lee route. The fear of success will loom over that option for decades. Coaching changes and personnel changes arent even strong enough to break the JL gris gris !
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:03 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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I don't know a whole sit ton about football
Then you will fit in very nicely around this board...
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:05 pm to CaliTigerHB
quote:JJ didn't have the touch or accuracy for it. Harris threw in the middle of the field and nearly killed some of the receivers. One of our touchdowns on Saturday was from a throw to the middle of the field, and I am not talking about the 87 yard TD.
More defenders over middle of field. They stopped throwing it over the middle when Jarrett Lee threw 6 pick 6s
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:28 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:Recall Harris completed like 4 or 5 consec slants until Hogs took it away in that big loss.
What you are referencing is short to intermediate middle. That's what miles was scared shitless of.
I'm sure Miles could've cracked pecans with his asscrack when Cam called them though.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:33 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Is it more difficult for QBs to do this?
Yes, linebackers and nickel backs playing zone. Example- Drew Brews one of the best quarter backs throws a lot of is his interceptions with linebackers in zone coverage. It helps if your tight end and running back doesn't have to help block which is a no no for this offensive line.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:56 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
When LSU fans crown Etling for not turning the ball over, vs all these shite defenses we play no less, they fail to realize that he avoids throwing over the middle like the plague. He's been mostly throwing it outside or way deep down field. LSU is going to look like hot garbage on offense once real SEC play starts and Etling is still the main QB.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 2:38 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
quote:Most want to talk about Etling's "noodle arm" and underthrows on long balls. He has a tendency to throw high across the middle (as did Mett). That's bad. Add to that inexperienced WRs who might not protect their QB and play defender if needed, it is a high risk proposition.
Makes sense. Etling has not had major accuracy issues though.
To make it worse is Etling's hesitation and slow reads. You have to throw the WR open and hit them out of breaks so window does not close. If I were Canada, this is where I would have the most fear.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:11 pm to I20goon
I have to agree; we avoid throws to the middle of the field; while pretty much all the other games I have watched, utilize the whole field. We are becoming extremely predictable.
I understand the aversion; but at some point we need to spread it around a little. Hopefully our OL improves dramatically in assignment execution.
I understand the aversion; but at some point we need to spread it around a little. Hopefully our OL improves dramatically in assignment execution.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:50 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Go back in time to an Auburn game. Lyn Amadee offensive coach. Calling for passes over the middle. 4 pick sixes!
Is that what you want?
Is that what you want?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:35 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Often overlooked regrading this is the knowledge the wr has to have running most routes in the middle of the field.
Identifying coverage pre snap, throttling down vs running through, complementary routes based formation/changing coverages. And the QB has to trust the wr to make all these decisions.
I can say we may have 1 guy that seems capable of this right now
Identifying coverage pre snap, throttling down vs running through, complementary routes based formation/changing coverages. And the QB has to trust the wr to make all these decisions.
I can say we may have 1 guy that seems capable of this right now
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