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This team is a perfect storm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:14 pm
Let me get this out of the way. Orgeron is bad. Shouldn't be the coach and never should have been. He doesn't bring anything to the table. He can recruit well as a position coach....but the guys he has been under - Carroll, Miles, Kiffin, and most HC are closers. I don't see that with him so he's useless. That being said, this was set up to fail.
Throughout Miles time here LSU was usually great on D, anywhere from decent to frustrating to bad on O and at least once we were great on offense and not good on defense (2013 I think.)
This year we lost a lot on D. The replacements are either young and talented or experienced and not as talented. So we need an offense to carry that defense especially early. Unfortunately we have a below average QB - which should be no surprise given the last 10 years of QB play (besides 1 year of Mett). We have questionable RB talent, loss of several OL leading to Freshman/less talented playing, and downright awful WR play. Chark will be on an NFL squad. Right now the others don't look that way. If they are playing behind Gage, you can't convince me they are that good. Gage wouldn't start at WR for some Sun Belt teams.
This team was always going to be bad and struggle. Shouldn't perform how they have but last year was our year. Miles blew it again because he never could have a QB. We should have been a playoff team. This year was always a rebuild but when you add in coaching changes, talent departures, etc the rebuild is even worse. Moreso you hired someone who gives no schematic advantage to hide deficiencies.
If you want to see the real failure of O. It was talked about in February how LSU should land the number 1 class in 2018. O was supposed to be a big reason for that. That is not and will not happen regardless of how we are performing.
I think the defense will get better. I think the offense will go nowhere. Again, we are one dimensional. Danny seems like a good kid, but he's not an SEC QB. Brennan isn't ready. He should be because the rest of college football can have true freshman QBs ready but we seem allergic to that. But ultimately the talent on offense is very low. SEC Defense should have no problem stopping us. Tennessee will be the only toss up game to see who had quit more. Just my thoughts.
Throughout Miles time here LSU was usually great on D, anywhere from decent to frustrating to bad on O and at least once we were great on offense and not good on defense (2013 I think.)
This year we lost a lot on D. The replacements are either young and talented or experienced and not as talented. So we need an offense to carry that defense especially early. Unfortunately we have a below average QB - which should be no surprise given the last 10 years of QB play (besides 1 year of Mett). We have questionable RB talent, loss of several OL leading to Freshman/less talented playing, and downright awful WR play. Chark will be on an NFL squad. Right now the others don't look that way. If they are playing behind Gage, you can't convince me they are that good. Gage wouldn't start at WR for some Sun Belt teams.
This team was always going to be bad and struggle. Shouldn't perform how they have but last year was our year. Miles blew it again because he never could have a QB. We should have been a playoff team. This year was always a rebuild but when you add in coaching changes, talent departures, etc the rebuild is even worse. Moreso you hired someone who gives no schematic advantage to hide deficiencies.
If you want to see the real failure of O. It was talked about in February how LSU should land the number 1 class in 2018. O was supposed to be a big reason for that. That is not and will not happen regardless of how we are performing.
I think the defense will get better. I think the offense will go nowhere. Again, we are one dimensional. Danny seems like a good kid, but he's not an SEC QB. Brennan isn't ready. He should be because the rest of college football can have true freshman QBs ready but we seem allergic to that. But ultimately the talent on offense is very low. SEC Defense should have no problem stopping us. Tennessee will be the only toss up game to see who had quit more. Just my thoughts.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:18 pm to LSUTigKyl
QB usually as good as OL permits. This year’s edition of OL is not adding to any possible successes that might otherwise be possible for Danny.
And O is like having a blunt weapon for a HC.
And O is like having a blunt weapon for a HC.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:20 pm to LSUEnvy
had some good points. there is enough there that offense doesn't have to be that bad.
but...
but...
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:24 pm to stephendomalley
Offense could be better if OL was even average but we can't run the ball and for whatever reason we can only throw deep passes. O said we can't run a 4 WR set?! This is D-1 college football and we don't have enough talented WRs to put 4 on the field. That's a true L-O-L.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:29 pm to LSUTigKyl
I agree with much of your post. and to add to this "perfect storm" we lost our best DL and Guice to injuries and of course Teuhuma to idiocy.
the teams seems "snakebit" but the OL and LB issues date bake to Miles and his gang of Chavis and Haley. high team recruiting rankings masked the undeniable truth that some positions were just not being recruited at a high level.
the offense is not strong enough at the point of attack to run the ball consistently and our passing is not good enough to overcome that. that is OL and our blocking scheme. I don't know if Grimes sucks or what but our guys on the line make lots of mistakes in blocking assignments. i'm not qualified to judge their technique but they do get knocked back a lot and bama is going to crush them.
the teams seems "snakebit" but the OL and LB issues date bake to Miles and his gang of Chavis and Haley. high team recruiting rankings masked the undeniable truth that some positions were just not being recruited at a high level.
the offense is not strong enough at the point of attack to run the ball consistently and our passing is not good enough to overcome that. that is OL and our blocking scheme. I don't know if Grimes sucks or what but our guys on the line make lots of mistakes in blocking assignments. i'm not qualified to judge their technique but they do get knocked back a lot and bama is going to crush them.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:46 pm to LSUTigKyl
There is a difference between "taking a bit of a step back" and getting beat by 30 (the largest margin of defeat in nearly 120 meetings) at the hands of a Miss. St. team who has just finished getting destroyed by Georgia and Auburn in back-to-back weeks, and not only losing to a Sun Belt team in your home stadium, but looking like you didn't even belong on the same field with them. If Troy doesn't fumble deep in LSU territory after the stupid on-sides kick, that game is 31-14 late in the 4th.
In just 5 games he's managed to:
1. Get beat by the largest margin of defeat against MSU, ever
2. Lose to a team from the Sun Belt Conference for the first time ever and in doing so, snap a 17 year home winning streak vs. non-conf. opponents
We're not even half way through the season and there is REAL concern LSU will have it's first losing season in the 21st century and miss a bowl game for the first time in almost 20 years.
Overall, the SEC is not a particularly good league this year. Bama has completely separated themselves from the pack. UGA looks good and Auburn is trending up. Otherwise, everyone else is mediocre to bad. If Ogeron manages to completely bomb the program in one season it will truly be one of the greatest "achievements" in incompetency.
In just 5 games he's managed to:
1. Get beat by the largest margin of defeat against MSU, ever
2. Lose to a team from the Sun Belt Conference for the first time ever and in doing so, snap a 17 year home winning streak vs. non-conf. opponents
We're not even half way through the season and there is REAL concern LSU will have it's first losing season in the 21st century and miss a bowl game for the first time in almost 20 years.
Overall, the SEC is not a particularly good league this year. Bama has completely separated themselves from the pack. UGA looks good and Auburn is trending up. Otherwise, everyone else is mediocre to bad. If Ogeron manages to completely bomb the program in one season it will truly be one of the greatest "achievements" in incompetency.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:05 pm to Alt26
I agree that Orgeron is a huge problem. I just am more inclined than the LSU problem is really tied to these things:
1. Miles OL recruiting
2. Position coach failures
3. QB QB QB
4. Transfers/Injury/Suspensions
5. WR talent hasn't been this low in the 21st century.
6. Youth.
7. And finally, inept coaching from the current HC as it relates to discipline, preparedness, stamina, game plan, and overall ability.
1. Miles OL recruiting
2. Position coach failures
3. QB QB QB
4. Transfers/Injury/Suspensions
5. WR talent hasn't been this low in the 21st century.
6. Youth.
7. And finally, inept coaching from the current HC as it relates to discipline, preparedness, stamina, game plan, and overall ability.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:50 pm to LSUTigKyl
Keep your thoughts to yourself
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:07 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:
the teams seems "snakebit" but the OL and LB issues date bake to Miles and his gang of Chavis and Haley.
Ed Orgeron just said five players from last year's team were starting on Sunday. None of those guys he recruited... The ones he fricking recruited, well they are on the team!!
Just stop already with this shite.
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