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This is how you win in football...

Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:19 pm
Posted by tadelatt
Buga Nation
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:19 pm
1. Pick a QB, AJ or Brandon Harris, and stick with him.

Les Miles best seasons
2011 - Best Regular Season in college football history, benches Lee for JJ after he served his suspension and things began to go South leading to the eventual beat down in the NC
2007 - Matt Flynn, started 12 of 14 games but an injury led to Perriloux getting 2 starts
2006 - JaMarcus Russell, started all games
2010 - Jordan Jefferson, started all 13 games
2005 - JaMarcus Russell, started 12 of 13 games

The point? LSU wins under Les Miles when there is a clear cut starter. Granted the 2011 season had two starters but we all remember how that season ended and also that we honestly had two sub par QBs running a great offense and one of, if not the best, defense in the NCAA that year.

2. Let Leonard Fournette be himself.

Don't limit his play to protect him from getting tired, or hurt, or failing in class. This kid is a grown man playing in a kids game right now. This might just be the best offensive player to wear purple and gold since ODB and even during ODB's time here, no one expected him to explode into the player he became in the NFL. So aside from ODB, Fournette just might be the best player LSU fans have ever seen. If Les Miles lets him be.

He needs to get carries and he needs to catch the ball. He should be involved in the offense 30-40% of the time during SEC play if we want to win. This isn't a decoy like Reggie Bush, this guy is going to be great and has already shown it during his Freshmen season.

3. Open up the playbook again!

Whatever happened to the fake punts and the fake field goals? What about the trick plays on offense? Les Miles has the balls to make some of the best calls and the worst calls in the NCAA. He needs to go back to being that man!

That is how we won a title in 2007. The season was filled with the guttiest play calls in the league. Remember Auburn and the last second TD pass to Byrd instead of kicking a FG? Or the Over the head Fake FG against SC? The FINAL DRIVE against UF where Jacob Hester became a legend? Or the Alabama game and the 4th and 4 TD pass to Doucet to tie it up with 2 minutes left?

We need that coach back!

Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22317 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:23 pm to
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Whatever happened to the fake punts and the fake field goals? What about the trick plays on offense? Les Miles has the balls to make some of the best calls and the worst calls in the NCAA. He needs to go back to being that man!
Hey. Go easy on the man. We're only paying him $5 mil a year. And thanks for reminding me how important fake FG's, fake punts and trick plays are to an elite football program.
Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9727 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:25 pm to
Might want to take into account the opponents game plan and be able to adjust for that. Since 1/9/12 I don't know if miles is capable of doing so.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:27 pm to
thanks coach
Posted by rossman
Member since Dec 2003
907 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:28 pm to
I agree with your thought, but your account of the 2011 season is just not accurate.
Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:29 pm to
We need an X's and O's coach. When, if ever, was the last time we said that CLM out coached someone
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56538 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:32 pm to
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The point? LSU wins under Les Miles when there is a clear cut starter. Granted the 2011 season had two starters but we all remember how that season ended and also that we honestly had two sub par QBs running a great offense and one of, if not the best, defense in the NCAA that year.



This logic has so many holes in it.

If only we had stuck with Brandon Harris last year, right?
Posted by schwartzy
New Orleans
Member since May 2014
9032 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:33 pm to
The thing with Miles is that I think he lacks a plan B alternative when things go wrong. 1/9/12 he figured if we can't run right, left, or up the middle then we're hosed. There weren't more than like 2 passes downfield to challenge the stacked box.

Arkansas last year is another example. Change the damn QB if the one in the game is struggling. We did it against New Mexico St and won 63-7 because of the change. The jet sweep to Dural against A&M was a refreshing, and more importantly effective, change-up.

I like Miles' philosophy of crushing your opponent's defense with a power run game. Ole Miss 2014 was a good example of that, but when that doesn't work against teams like Alabama with a tough 3-4 with big linemen, there needs to be wrinkles.
Posted by wilceaux
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2004
12406 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:33 pm to
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This might just be the best offensive player to wear purple and gold since ODB


That long, huh?
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:34 pm to
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That is how we won a title in 2007. The season was filled with the guttiest play calls in the league.


No. That was the point. He made those calls because they were the right calls, not because they were gutsy (except maybe one or two of the 4th downs near the goal line in the UF game when a FG would have tied it or cut the lead to one score).

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Remember Auburn and the last second TD pass to Byrd instead of kicking a FG?


No. I don't remember him giving up a chance at a FG to throw for a TD in that game. I remember him taking a shot at the end zone when there was time to do that and still kick a FG afterward if it didn't work. It's what most coaches would do. Because it's what a coach is supposed to do.

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Or the Over the head Fake FG against SC?


A fake FG with a lead in the second quarter isn't particularly gutsy. It's creative, and, if the other team isn't expecting it, smart. That wasn't a gutsy call, it was a smart call if we had the element of surprise. Credit to Miles for being able to tell that SC wasn't expecting the fake.

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The FINAL DRIVE against UF where Jacob Hester became a legend?


What's gutsy about going for it on 4th down when you're behind late in the game? Don't most teams do this? Again, this wasn't gutsy, it was smart. Exception, though...when we got down near the goal line and it was fourth and about three or so, and a FG would tie it, going for it was pretty gutsy.

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Or the Alabama game and the 4th and 4 TD pass to Doucet to tie it up with 2 minutes left?


What else were we going to do? Punt? Kick a FG? Credit the execution and the play selection for producing a TD, but the decision to go for it on 4th down was obvious.

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We need that coach back!


Agreed, but there's more to it than just faking FGs and going for it on 4th down. It's knowing when to do those things. That's what he used to be good at, recognizing situations where what looked like a risk was really the best percentage play and pulling the trigger on it. I would add the reverse on 4th and 1 in the 2010 Alabama game, too. We lost the 2012 Alabama game because he was trying to be that coach at the wrong times in the wrong situations with the wrong play calls.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202959 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:35 pm to
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thanks coach



Yup...We need to get rid of Miles and hire THIS GUY.........
Posted by tadelatt
Buga Nation
Member since Jan 2010
12255 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:36 pm to
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If only we had stuck with Brandon Harris last year, right?



Nope, didn't say that. I am simply stating that he is most successful when he sticks to ONE QB, not have a debate over which one should start or bench a guy and start another then go back to benching the other guy, etc...

AJ isn't a good QB and I wish people could see that all he can do is run the football. He has not been able to scare DBs or Safeties into believing he has the accuracy to throw the deep ball consistently so they play tighter defense on the WR's. So when the moment comes when we need 20 or more yards, we have a very small chance, if any, at getting it with AJ at the helm. He has had a chance and did not impress. He was medicore at best last season.

Brandon Harris might struggle as a starter but he has a good O-line and a great RB behind him. Our defense is going to be stronger than last season too. So let's just run with Harris and see what happens.
Posted by tadelatt
Buga Nation
Member since Jan 2010
12255 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:38 pm to
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That long, huh?



Did you read the whole thing? Because my point was to include ODB since he was a great WR and is tearing it up in the NFL.

I made sure not to simply say that LF is the best LSU Tiger ever because that is yet to be seen. I am simply saying he can be if he gets the PT and the ball. Also, without ODB, LF is the best Tiger the fans have seen in a VERY long time.
Posted by tadelatt
Buga Nation
Member since Jan 2010
12255 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:44 pm to
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No. I don't remember him giving up a chance at a FG to throw for a TD in that game. I remember him taking a shot at the end zone when there was time to do that and still kick a FG afterward if it didn't work. It's what most coaches would do. Because it's what a coach is supposed to do.



Byrd drops the pass and the game was over. There was one second on the clock. A dropped ball would have been one second and done. Game over. No, there wasn't enough time.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202959 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:48 pm to
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3. Open up the playbook again!


Not with the QB'S we have now... Miles doesn't trust either of these two to use most of the playbook. it will be another vanilla type offense we see this year...... Example:::: Why did we NOT see the type of offensive plays we saw in the A & M game in any other game during the season.....
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4710 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

1. Pick a QB, AJ or Brandon Harris, and stick with him.

Les Miles best seasons
2011 - Best Regular Season in college football history, benches Lee for JJ after he served his suspension and things began to go South leading to the eventual beat down in the NC
2007 - Matt Flynn, started 12 of 14 games but an injury led to Perriloux getting 2 starts
2006 - JaMarcus Russell, started all games
2010 - Jordan Jefferson, started all 13 games
2005 - JaMarcus Russell, started 12 of 13 games

The point? LSU wins under Les Miles when there is a clear cut starter. Granted the 2011 season had two starters but we all remember how that season ended and also that we honestly had two sub par QBs running a great offense and one of, if not the best, defense in the NCAA that year.



Chicken or egg? Did Miles stick with a QB those seasons because we had good QBs or were they good because they got to play all year? I'm going with the former. You aren't flip flopping QBs if you have someone who is better than the alternatives. 3 of those 4 seasons you listed were led by 2 of the best QBs to play at LSU.
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25484 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:58 pm to
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This is how you win in football

Score more points than the opponent.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38410 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Remember Auburn and the last second TD pass to Byrd instead of kicking a FG? Or the Over the head Fake FG against SC? The FINAL DRIVE against UF where Jacob Hester became a legend? Or the Alabama game and the 4th and 4 TD pass to Doucet to tie it up with 2 minutes left?

All things you would almost never see post 2008 Les Miles do.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22317 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 3:03 pm to
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Score more points than the opponent.

What a novel idea. And how often you score makes a difference too - like demoralizing your opponent before half-time. There's this guy two states over that seems to do it whenever he can. That way you don't have to worry about all the coaching-induced drama in Q4.
Posted by Iam_PrinceAkeem
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2011
3110 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 3:04 pm to
What about Patrick Peterson or Tyrann being the best player you ever saw I knew ODB was good just didn't have a Qb to get him the ball
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