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There is pretty much never a "good" time to fire a coach
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:40 pm
I mean, hey, short of a situation where you coach is faltering and one of the top coaching studs of the world reaches out to you, firing a coach is ALWAYS a rough deal.
That said, there is no getting around the only thing worse than having to find another coach after firing yours is waiting too long to fire your coach and having to find another one.
If you wait too long, you usually have waited for 2-3 recruiting classes to falter like holy hell. Case in point, if we lose Franks, that right there is a significant blow that may take another coach 2-3 years to overcome. That scares off potential new coaches and then, even the ones willing to take the job will have to overcome the recruiting hole.
So, for those of you saying, "well, who would you hire", I'm sorry. You really don't have a valid point. Of course no one can be SURE we'll get the right guy. But I'm sorry, those of you thinking no good coach would want to come are nuts. LSU has routinely had top 10 classes as far as the eye can see. Do you know how few coaching jobs open annually that fit that bill? I mean, not saying we'd get TCU's coach, but have you checked out what get signs annually? Suddenly having access to LSU type recruiting class is a good coach's wet dream.
That said, there is no getting around the only thing worse than having to find another coach after firing yours is waiting too long to fire your coach and having to find another one.
If you wait too long, you usually have waited for 2-3 recruiting classes to falter like holy hell. Case in point, if we lose Franks, that right there is a significant blow that may take another coach 2-3 years to overcome. That scares off potential new coaches and then, even the ones willing to take the job will have to overcome the recruiting hole.
So, for those of you saying, "well, who would you hire", I'm sorry. You really don't have a valid point. Of course no one can be SURE we'll get the right guy. But I'm sorry, those of you thinking no good coach would want to come are nuts. LSU has routinely had top 10 classes as far as the eye can see. Do you know how few coaching jobs open annually that fit that bill? I mean, not saying we'd get TCU's coach, but have you checked out what get signs annually? Suddenly having access to LSU type recruiting class is a good coach's wet dream.
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:44 pm to TheRightMan
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There is pretty much never a "good" time to fire a coach
5 straight losses to Bama and 2 straight to Arkansas is a good place to start.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:46 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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5 straight losses to Bama
I'd be curious how many teams this applies to
They've had a hell of a run since 2009
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:47 pm to TheRightMan
Unless LSU loses these last two games (and in a fashion similar to the Ala. and Ark. games), I honestly don't see how LSU can "fire" Les Miles. And I say that not only b/c of the buyout, although that's the biggest hindrance.
Rather, I would pray to God that somebody could convince Les to step down, retire, resign, for the good of the program. I've read other threads that stated that LSU can choose to pay the buyout over an extended period ... perhaps something for a lower lump sum could be negotiated.
Les lost me this last game. I convinced my buddy, no, let's not leave, let's see what the offense does on this drive. Two penalties, absolutely zero sense of urgency. When you throw in the well-documented clock management issues over the years, look folks, it's just time. Yeah, I know Alleva could really frick this up, but I think LSU can't afford to take a chance.
Rather, I would pray to God that somebody could convince Les to step down, retire, resign, for the good of the program. I've read other threads that stated that LSU can choose to pay the buyout over an extended period ... perhaps something for a lower lump sum could be negotiated.
Les lost me this last game. I convinced my buddy, no, let's not leave, let's see what the offense does on this drive. Two penalties, absolutely zero sense of urgency. When you throw in the well-documented clock management issues over the years, look folks, it's just time. Yeah, I know Alleva could really frick this up, but I think LSU can't afford to take a chance.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:48 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:If you read my post, you would clearly see that my point was that the fact there's never a "good" time to do it is not a valid argument for not doing it.
5 straight losses to Bama and 2 straight to Arkansas is a good place to start.
In fact, my point was that if a coach is on track to be fired, the sooner you pull the trigger, the better.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:49 pm to Powerman
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I'd be curious how many teams this applies to
I can name some off the top of my head
Ole Miss
Texas aTm
Auburn
Ohio State
UL Monroe
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:49 pm to TheRightMan
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If you wait too long, you usually have waited for 2-3 recruiting classes to falter like holy hell.
Have you checked 247 lately?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:49 pm to TigerJeff
Don't we have one of the highest paid staffs in the country? I think we'll be able to find someone good.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:51 pm to TheRightMan
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In fact, my point was that if a coach is on track to be fired, the sooner you pull the trigger, the better.
the OP is exactly right, there's never a good time. But waiting too long is the worst alternative.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:52 pm to TigerJeff
quote:You probably can't.
Unless LSU loses these last two games (and in a fashion similar to the Ala. and Ark. games), I honestly don't see how LSU can "fire" Les Miles. And I say that not only b/c of the buyout, although that's the biggest hindrance.
But, I'll be stunned if this season doesn't cost us Franks.
And, there's no sense even talking about getting rid of Cam or Steele because no half decent coordinator is going to sign on to a possible sinking ship.
In fact, I think that's why we have Cam and Steele in the first place. Especially Steele.
No one wanted to admit it.........but the fact that Chavis was trying to gain job security in his contract was EXTREMELY telling. And, if you didn't buy that reality, the fact that we settled for a guy who probably wouldn't have gotten another top 30 DC job this year of LSU doesn't hire him should REALLY tell you.
If coaches perceived Miles as a winner and long term stable, we would be taking calls, not begging.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:53 pm to chilge1
quote:I said if you take too long.
Have you checked 247 lately?
And, my money is on Franks to bolt. I don't want him too, but, if you made me bet...........
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:55 pm to TheRightMan
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And, my money is on Franks to bolt. I don't want him too, but, if you made me bet.........
Firing the HC or OC is the one thing that will guarantee he will.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:59 pm to chilge1
quote:Frankly, if he signs with LSU, you really have to question if he's got a good head on his shoulders. There is NOTHING one can glean from having watched LSU to make a QB want to come here.
Firing the HC or OC is the one thing that will guarantee he will.
But, you're right. If either are gone, so will he. I get that.
It's sort of a glass half empty situation either way. Miles stinks. I really can't speak to if Cam stinks because frankly, the pathetic approach to offense predates him.
Besides, like I said. Firing Cam would be stupid. No good OC in his right mind would sign on with Miles right now.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:03 pm to TheRightMan
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There is NOTHING one can glean from having watched LSU to make a QB want to come here.
Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, and Zach Mettenberger were all drafted by NFL teams and Brandon Harris has shown that he will join that group if he continues the development he made this year.
Blake Sims is playing in the Canadian Football League and Nick Marshall is a defensive back. Believe it or not, most high school quarterbacks have aspirations to play in the NFL and LSU is just as successful as any in terms of getting them there.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:09 pm to chilge1
Russell and Flynn played at LSU when Franks was 11 and younger. They might as well be YA Tittle. Mett is all he can remember and tart was year sandwiched between a series of shite shows
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