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The zone read....
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:54 pm
First off, I'm not here to bash the play calling like so many others.
We won, in a hostile arse environment, with a young QB that had a tough outing in his first and only start, and did everything we could to protect him from making a mistake that could ruin his confidence going forward. Plus, I am as positiger as they come.
That said, I think a valid critique of our approach last night was the overuse of the zone read in the final 20 minutes.
If you want to keep the ball on the ground and run clock, fine. I get it. But why not just line up and let LF and DW bang away like they had been all game?
Harris had a couple of nice runs on those calls, but honestly, I think the majority of the time he made the wrong read and our RBs were getting swarmed as soon as Harris released. We lost yards several times, and those were on very valuable possessions at the end of the game when the D was beginning to wear down and it felt like the game might be slipping away as MSU and Dak were gaining steam.
Honeslty, as good of a runner as Harris is, and he looks very natural on bootlegs and designed roll outs, his zone read just doesn't seem very natural.
That said, huge win. Really excited about this team. Lots of energy on both sides of the ball, and as frustrating as the last 20 minutes felt on offense, I actually think the TD drive in the 3rd quarter was Harris' best of the night. Think that bodes well going forward.
Anyone else have similar thoughts on the use of the zone read?
We won, in a hostile arse environment, with a young QB that had a tough outing in his first and only start, and did everything we could to protect him from making a mistake that could ruin his confidence going forward. Plus, I am as positiger as they come.
That said, I think a valid critique of our approach last night was the overuse of the zone read in the final 20 minutes.
If you want to keep the ball on the ground and run clock, fine. I get it. But why not just line up and let LF and DW bang away like they had been all game?
Harris had a couple of nice runs on those calls, but honestly, I think the majority of the time he made the wrong read and our RBs were getting swarmed as soon as Harris released. We lost yards several times, and those were on very valuable possessions at the end of the game when the D was beginning to wear down and it felt like the game might be slipping away as MSU and Dak were gaining steam.
Honeslty, as good of a runner as Harris is, and he looks very natural on bootlegs and designed roll outs, his zone read just doesn't seem very natural.
That said, huge win. Really excited about this team. Lots of energy on both sides of the ball, and as frustrating as the last 20 minutes felt on offense, I actually think the TD drive in the 3rd quarter was Harris' best of the night. Think that bodes well going forward.
Anyone else have similar thoughts on the use of the zone read?
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Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:55 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Yeah, we didn't run the zone read well at all.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:56 pm to Tiger Voodoo
It looked like called runs rather than reads.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:58 pm to inthebr
thats the things, we definitely don't know
i think there were a lot of called runs.
i think we are gonna run power read a lot next week
i think there were a lot of called runs.
i think we are gonna run power read a lot next week
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:58 pm to Tiger Voodoo
One thing I wanna say, is you really do have to give some credit to MSST defensive front. We know we have some maulers on the o-line, but their dline was able to get some penetration and disrupt plays pretty frequently. C Jones is ridiculous.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:00 pm to inthebr
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It looked like called runs rather than reads.
Yeah there's no way to really know which were called and which weren't. But the fact that Harris kept a few makes me think he had the option to keep on most of them. The formation and read action looked so similar though I'm assuming that was the approach. No way to be sure though.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:01 pm to LSUnation78
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One thing I wanna say, is you really do have to give some credit to MSST defensive front. We know we have some maulers on the o-line, but their dline was able to get some penetration and disrupt plays pretty frequently. C Jones is ridiculous.
No question about that. They really stepped up and made us work for it. I was actually a little frustrated with the OL at points.
But, week 1 to week 2 right? We should see plenty of improvement on the OL, assignments, penalties, etc going forward.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:02 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I wonder why they only used the jet sweep once, iirc. That play seems to have a pretty high success rate...even if it's not handed off to the man in motion.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:02 pm to inthebr
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t looked like called runs rather than reads.
Risher was saying that the reads weren't reads, but predetermined runs. Maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about, but he was a QB who played in college so I know he knows more than me.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I'd like to know what the results were. It seemed like they broke some nice runs on zone reads, and I remember a few getting stuffed. So, similar to our other running plays. Twenty three percent passing and penalties on the young linemen were the main problems.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:06 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Risher was saying that the reads weren't reads, but predetermined runs. Maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about, but he was a QB who played in college so I know he knows more than me.
Hadn't heard that, so thanks for the info. Could certainly be the case.
But even if it was, I just didn't like the look that we were getting on those runs. Still would have liked to see some more tosses or even power I.
I just think whether they were called runs or reads, the results were pretty poor in those final 20 minutes and think we could have changed it up, even if we were keeping the ball on the ground.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:06 pm to Tiger Voodoo
We don't run read plays. All of the plays that appear to be read options are designed handoffs. It's irritating given that BH is such a talented guy who can snap off 15 yds easily if he is given the opportunity to make a read.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:07 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Absolutely agree there's no way to know. He made some good reads when he clearly had the option (because he kept it 
), and on some of those he clearly could have made a ton of yards if he had pulled the ball down and run.
I look forward to seeing Harris run some zone reads next week. Auburn's DEs and OLBs haven't shown they can make the play on the read option.
), and on some of those he clearly could have made a ton of yards if he had pulled the ball down and run. I look forward to seeing Harris run some zone reads next week. Auburn's DEs and OLBs haven't shown they can make the play on the read option.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:08 pm to Penrod
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I'd like to know what the results were. It seemed like they broke some nice runs on zone reads, and I remember a few getting stuffed. So, similar to our other running plays.
Yeah, I haven't been able to rewatch yet. I think particularly in the last 20 minutes we had much less success than we did early in the game though. Interested to see how it looks on second viewing.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:11 pm to Guava Jelly
Yes, Harris is a great runner. He averaged 9.6 ypc last night and has had a high average in every game he has played in but his first game ever. He is a true weapon there.
I would like to see a pass or two out of those read formations. I think we could really burn teams with that.
I would like to see a pass or two out of those read formations. I think we could really burn teams with that.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:11 pm to Big EZ Tiger
They have to be called runs. You can tell by the way Harris carried out his fakes.
With as evident as Miles' distrust of his QB's is, I'm betting there wasn't even enough trust to allow Harris to make a read. Which is just utterly sad on Miles' part because Harris has done nothing to warrant any distrust
With as evident as Miles' distrust of his QB's is, I'm betting there wasn't even enough trust to allow Harris to make a read. Which is just utterly sad on Miles' part because Harris has done nothing to warrant any distrust
This post was edited on 9/13/15 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:12 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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We don't run read plays. All of the plays that appear to be read options are designed handoffs.
How do you know that? Have the coaches said that? Honest question.
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I would like to see a pass or two out of those read formations. I think we could really burn teams with that.
Totally agree. Who knows, maybe that's being set up
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:13 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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I would like to see a pass or two out of those read formations. I think we could really burn teams with that.
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Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:17 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Auburn could not stop rb zone read yesterday. I hope we increase its use personally.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:18 pm to TXGunslinger10
Miles ran the read option a lot with Jennings midway through the season last year. Once he gets a few home games under him and settles in they'll work that part of the game in. The kid was obviously amped up the first two starts, but he showed improvement last night for sure.
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