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The truth about Briles during the Baylor "scandal" (just FYI)

Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:25 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:25 pm
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“A very small percentage of our cases have anything to do with athletics”, Crawford said in the meeting, of which KWTX obtained a recording. “And I've made that very clear to our leadership. This is not an athletics issue in the sense of violence and all these things, this is a human issue.” Crawford pointed out to the staff that just two football players have been convicted of sexual assault during Briles’ tenure at Baylor, a fact that those we spoke with say was lost in the media frenzy. Neither of the two players stepped foot on the field after the coaching staff learned of the accusations. “We had a trial last August where someone was found guilty”, Crawford said. “And then there's another one two years ago related to (athletics). The media loves anything related to athletics. They love that because it's sensational.”[/quote]

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Tevin Elliot was convicted of two counts of sexual assault, for assaulting a former Baylor student in 2012. Elliot was kicked off the team shortly after the team learned about the first sexual assault allegation, in April of 2012, three days before he was arrested and charged with the crime. Sources told KWTX that Briles made the decision to remove him from the team. After being dismissed by Baylor, and after his arrest, Elliot was allowed by the NCAA to transfer to Central Arkansas, where the head coach said he’d be suspended one game for the incident at Baylor. It was that August, while Elliot was a player at Central Arkansas, that the McLennan County Grand Jury indicted him. Sam Ukwuachu was convicted in 2015 of assaulting a former Baylor soccer player in 2013. Ukwuachu transferred from Boise State to play football at Baylor after he was dismissed from that team in May of 2013. A report published in Texas Monthly which set off much of the national firestorm surrounding Baylor’s football program claimed Ukwuachu “had been kicked off the Boise State team for a previous incident of violence involving a female student.”



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However, this has been proven false.

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According to his transfer documentation, Ukwuachu was in good standing with Boise State at the time of his transfer. A statement from Boise State administration later confirmed Ukwuachu was not dismissed from the team for any disciplinary reason, and there were no reports to Boise State about such an incident. Ukwuachu’s father told KWTX he left because he was depressed and homesick, and wanted to be close to his parents, who live near Houston. Ukwuachu never stepped foot on the football field at Baylor. The athletic department and university sources with whom KWTX talked say no player ever played football for Briles while accused of sexual assault. Rami Hammad, offensive lineman for the Bears in 2015, was accused by a student of sexually assaulting her in his apartment early in the fall semester of that year. Sources close to the football team said that Rami was cleared by Title IX in that case. After the season, Hammad was charged with felony stalking in an incident involving his ex-girlfriend. He is currently suspended from team activities pending resolution of that case.

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Stephenville-based lawyer Ernest Cannon represented Briles in a contract mediation with Baylor, but no longer represents the fired coach. He says investigators had access to 8 1/2 years’ worth of Briles’ emails and text messages yet found no evidence of mishandling of a sexual assault or anything the coach would be embarrassed about. “Art Briles never covered up a sexual assault, Art Briles never met with a victim. Art Briles never shamed a victim,” Cannon said. All of the university sources we spoke with said they’ve never seen any evidence Briles handled a sexual assault case improperly. And despite a widely reported story, sources told KWTX Briles never failed to show up to meet with a victim who’s suing the school.

[/quote] ”There is no smoking gun” By all accounts the days leading up to the firing of Briles were chaotic. The sources who spoke with KWTX provided a more detailed timeline of how it all played out.[/quote]
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On May 13, the same day the Baylor regents were given a comprehensive briefing about Pepper Hamilton’s findings, two regents visited Briles’ office, telling him not to worry because “his job was safe.” It was during that meeting the regents also mentioned the board was concerned another alleged assault case might come to light involving two junior college transfers. On May 23, Briles was told by a friend on the board of regents that the board had decided to fire him, although nothing was official. Briles called then-Chairman Richard Willis and asked if he and Ian McCaw could address the regents. The two were given the chance to speak with the board the next day via teleconference, separately. The board made no decision that day. On May 24, a blogger for Horns Digest, a sports website for University of Texas fans, first reported the board would fire Chancellor and President Ken Starr over the scandal. Sources say Starr knew weeks before that his future was being considered, and he secured the help of prominent trial lawyer Mark Lanier to help represent him quietly behind the scenes. Briles, on the other hand, had neither an agent nor a lawyer representing him until after the firing, which Cannon, who describes Briles as almost too trusting, says was his biggest mistake. When asked after seeing all the evidence what was what the worst thing Art Briles did during his seven years leading the Bears, Cannon replied, “Not obtaining a lawyer before speaking to the board.”








This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 11:27 pm
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:26 pm to
We're not getting Briles. Let it go.
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:26 pm to
still don't want

too much baggage
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:26 pm to
Holy wall of text Batman!
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 11:27 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84784 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:27 pm to
Truth is irrelevant. He's a PR nightmare. Let it go.

There are better football candidates than him and there are candidates that are in his same league that don't have 1/10th of the baggage he has.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:27 pm to
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too much baggage



What is his baggage? Please be specific. I'm not saying your wrong.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:27 pm to
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There are better football candidates than him and there are candidates that are in his same league that don't have 1/10th of the baggage he has.


Who? Besides Herman.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:28 pm to
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We're not getting Briles. Let it go.



We're not getting Herman. Unless you want to wait until January before he even considers the job.
Posted by OldManRiver
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:31 pm to
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What is his baggage? Please be specific. I'm not saying your wrong.

Recruiting. Every house Art Briles walks in, there will be 20 other coaches calling Mom and Grandma and every other female in the house telling them Briles lets his players rape women. Doesn't matter if its true or false, doesn't matter if Briles is innocent or guilty. He will get hammered with it, and it will cost him some players along the way.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:31 pm to
Tressel is a better coach/resume and Fisher is as good and has essentially no baggage. Petrino is as good, if not better, and doesn't have anywhere near the same kind of baggage.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:31 pm to
Do you understand the concept of PR?

Do you realize that firing a generally well-liked and upstanding coach to hire a guy that 70-90% of the CFB population considers a scumbag (fairly or not) is a disaster?

Do you realize that the perception of Briles (even if not fair) has ramifications for the University as a whole?

If Briles wants another big time job he is going to have to do some years of penance fair or not.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:32 pm to
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Recruiting. Every house Art Briles walks in, there will be 20 other coaches calling Mom and Grandma and every other female in the house telling them Briles lets his players rape women. Doesn't matter if its true or false, doesn't matter if Briles is innocent or guilty. He will get hammered with it, and it will cost him some players along the way.



This, precisely.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:33 pm to
It's not even just recruiting. Do you know how many men and women aren't going to want to send their daughters to LSU if he is the HC?
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:35 pm to
Still don't want him.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84784 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:39 pm to
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t's not even just recruiting. Do you know how many men and women aren't going to want to send their daughters to LSU if he is the HC?



I know. People think it is ridiculous that someone would care about the football coach, but it reflects poorly on the administration. They would have to do some major character rebuilding before the move would ever be accepted, and unless the investigation is unsealed, I don't see that happening.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:45 pm to
bullshite. I have it on good authority from posters here that art let his football players run wild on unsuspecting co-eds
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:47 pm to
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Who?


Someone who is not 60 years old and has coached outside the state of Texas.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24002 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:49 pm to
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We're not getting Herman. Unless you want to wait until January before he even considers the job.


So, by that logic, you currently want LSU to hire an unemployed coach? Which would mean he was not very good at his last gig or has been in some pretty serious trouble recently.

Sound logic there, my friend.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 11:51 pm
Posted by ZachPlaysDrums
Member since Jul 2015
170 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:00 am to
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Bull shite. I have it on good authority from posters here that art let his football players run wild on unsuspecting co-eds



Expand on that. I'm wondering what exactly this guy did. Was he hanging out at house parties with the team not caring? How did he 'let' them? Somehow found out but didn't care?
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
20364 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:03 am to
It's a little interesting that Briles was considered the leading candidate to replace Mack Brown at UT, until he said he wasn't going anywhere after their bowl game.
It wasn't until after he turned Texas down that the scandal came rolling in.

Maybe the big-money Texas boosters were pissed at the snub, and also wanted Baylor to drop off so they could step back up. They wouldn't do something like that, would they? Could they?
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