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re: The KNOW YOUR PLACE Thread: Up Pg 12: Will Blackwell Knows His Place
Posted on 12/18/11 at 8:46 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Posted on 12/18/11 at 8:46 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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If it would have come down to LSU or Okie Lite, LSU maybe, and I stress "maybe" gets in. I guarantee you the "they won their conference" argument would have been trumpeted much louder and a better case for OSU would have been made.
No way in hell Les Miles would have been invited to gameday.
Now, had it come down to LSU and Oklahoma....OU goes no questions asked.
It sure is easy to guarantee things that can never be proven one way or the other. I guarantee you are wrong. Now, here we are.
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Posted on 12/18/11 at 8:50 am to Hot Carl
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It sure is easy to guarantee things that can never be proven one way or the other.
You are correct, but there is a history there.
We got in in 2007 because we won the conference.
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I guarantee you are wrong. Now, here we are.
As you said, we will never know. I just choose to look at the narratives and who benefits from them.
Now, we can add "quality loss" to the hypotheticals in the future. I doubt the term "quality loss" would be in place today had a non-traditional school suffered the loss....at Home...in the "game of the century".
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:21 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 12/25/11 at 8:58 am to EZE Tiger Fan
LSU upsets Miami in the CWS with the single greatest moment in CWS history, they change the championship to a three-game format.
LSU shatters the college baseball home run record, the NCAA institutes new bat regulations.
LSU wins the BCS over the AP's #1, the AP pulls their poll from the BCS formula.
With LSU's matchup against OU, the unwritten rule was declared, "You should have to win your conference to play in the title game" -- a notion that held until LSU was selected to play a team that did not win a conference championship.
And on it goes...
LSU shatters the college baseball home run record, the NCAA institutes new bat regulations.
LSU wins the BCS over the AP's #1, the AP pulls their poll from the BCS formula.
With LSU's matchup against OU, the unwritten rule was declared, "You should have to win your conference to play in the title game" -- a notion that held until LSU was selected to play a team that did not win a conference championship.
And on it goes...
Posted on 12/25/11 at 11:30 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Placism is for losers. That's life under a dictatorship, monarchy, or a cast system. Not the USA. Every team has its critics. Believe me there are a lot of Bama haters in the media. LSU has a fine tradition and being in the SEC you're going to get a shot every year. That's all you should require. The second chance you got in 07' should tell you that. IMO, anyone that agrees with the OP is just insecure. You guys needs to realize what we've always known. The leaders are the ones that get criticized the most. Out of jealousy or simply because you're in the spotlight. Its the price you pay for being #1.
Posted on 12/25/11 at 12:26 pm to LSUgusto
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LSU upsets Miami in the CWS with the single greatest moment in CWS history, they change the championship to a three-game format.
LSU shatters the college baseball home run record, the NCAA institutes new bat regulations.
LSU wins the BCS over the AP's #1, the AP pulls their poll from the BCS formula.
With LSU's matchup against OU, the unwritten rule was declared, "You should have to win your conference to play in the title game" -- a notion that held until LSU was selected to play a team that did not win a conference championship.
And on it goes...
I noticed this pattern as well.
LSU is the harbinger of change when it wins big.
Another will be added this year following the NC game on January 9th:
the beginning draft of a playoff for college football.
This post was edited on 12/25/11 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/25/11 at 12:38 pm to bama1959
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Placism is for losers. That's life under a dictatorship, monarchy, or a cast system. Not the USA. Every team has its critics. Believe me there are a lot of Bama haters in the media. LSU has a fine tradition and being in the SEC you're going to get a shot every year. That's all you should require. The second chance you got in 07' should tell you that. IMO, anyone that agrees with the OP is just insecure. You guys needs to realize what we've always known. The leaders are the ones that get criticized the most. Out of jealousy or simply because you're in the spotlight. Its the price you pay for being #1.
Holy shite. This is the smartest thing I've ever heard a gump say. Bravo! I think we, as LSU fans, are not used to the increasing media scrutiny that LSU has experienced over the last ten years. As the saying goes, haters gonna hate.
Posted on 12/25/11 at 12:42 pm to tiger88
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the beginning draft of a playoff for college football
Think the controversy with Bama edging out OSU will definitely set the conditions for a +1 format. I think both Bama and OSU would have preferred to have settled it on the field.
Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:19 pm to notslim99
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Placism is for losers. That's life under a dictatorship, monarchy, or a cast system. Not the USA. Every team has its critics. Believe me there are a lot of Bama haters in the media. LSU has a fine tradition and being in the SEC you're going to get a shot every year. That's all you should require. The second chance you got in 07' should tell you that. IMO, anyone that agrees with the OP is just insecure. You guys needs to realize what we've always known. The leaders are the ones that get criticized the most. Out of jealousy or simply because you're in the spotlight. Its the price you pay for being #1.
Holy shite. This is the smartest thing I've ever heard a gump say. Bravo! I think we, as LSU fans, are not used to the increasing media scrutiny that LSU has experienced over the last ten years. As the saying goes, haters gonna hate.
He did a great job. Those who tend to focus on the negative forget how positive the system has treated LSU, and that every fan base thinks the media hates them. LSU was number one in the BCS from start until now, and was actually ranked ahead of Bama before the Nov. 5th matchup between the two in almost all polls.
It's been an awesome year, and I certainly am not going to focus on the negative until there is a real reason to do so, not some fake reason conjured out of insecurity. When you are at the top, people will find a reason to want you to fall.
Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Once more into the breach......
One more win and who gives a damn about the talking heads......14-0 is the stuff of legend!!!!!!!!
One more win and who gives a damn about the talking heads......14-0 is the stuff of legend!!!!!!!!
Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:35 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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1) LSU will never gain the respect of the media many feel they deserve.
Why? Baton Rouge. That's why. We are poor, podunk Southerners in a state in the union whose only claim to fame when it comes to jobs, education, quality of living is that "well, at least we aren't Mississippi". Sorry, this is the truth. Because of this, the media will never put us on the same level as the traditional powers. Our market is much too small. If your job is to sell papers, will you market your story to 500,000 readers, or millions? Yeah, we all love football, but we love money more.
Outside of the SEC, we will never be USC, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma and Ohio State. I'm sure I'm missing one or two, but you get the point.
This argument makes zero sense. Bama and OU - two teams you specifically mentioned, play in very small media markets, too.
I know Norman is near OKC, but OKC is smaller than BR. Just sayin...
Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:44 pm to arlo
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Media hate cost us a threepeat and the team Bryant called the best team he'd ever coached didn't win the NC.
Because the AP handed you two championships you didn't deserve in 64 and 65.
Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:45 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Then how do u explain Norman, Oklahoma and the sooners?
Tradition from titles won long ago, and in 2000.
So is it media markets? Or tradition?
EZE you are being incredibly inconsistent here. It is one or the other.
Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:52 pm to vl100butch
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One more win and who gives a damn about the talking heads......14-0 is the stuff of legend!!!!!!!!
Posted on 12/26/11 at 8:54 am to bama1959
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Placism is for losers.
Losers? Who is losing? I'm a winner and LSU is a winner. You should know this, gump. We've owned your program the last decade....and going.....
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That's life under a dictatorship, monarchy, or a cast system.
Yeah, another person who missed the entire point of the post. Congrats. Although, I would never expect a Gump to get it. After all, you are entitled to only the best.
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Every team has its critics. Believe me there are a lot of Bama haters in the media.
Other than Auburn fans, who? You do realize that the primary reason you are playing Jan 9th is because of the media. Obviously, you have a majority there.
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LSU has a fine tradition and being in the SEC you're going to get a shot every year.
No shite? Who said we didn't and wouldn't?
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The second chance you got in 07' should tell you that.
Yeah, we got a "second chance" in 2007 because WE WON THE CONFERENCE. Not because of "quality losses".
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IMO, anyone that agrees with the OP is just insecure.
LOL. Right. I can promise you, I'm the least "insecure" person you would ever meet.
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You guys needs to realize what we've always known. The leaders are the ones that get criticized the most. Out of jealousy or simply because you're in the spotlight. Its the price you pay for being #1.
I highlighted the part that applies the most to the intent of my OP. That is the main reason why we are not currently favored by your pals in the media as much as you are.
I watched 30 for 30 late last night about "The U". Miami in the mid-80's is exactly where LSU is now: A team that was blowing out other teams, but not well respected by the media at the time because they weren't a "historical entitled/media darling". They showed clips of Miami blowing out ND in one of their overrated coaches final games and how the media was pissy about it.
One Miami player said it best:
"It wasn't a problem when ND was running up the score on weak teams. It just became a problem when a team like Miami, who wasn't supposed to be doing this, was".
That, IMO, describes LSU today. A few more years of this, and we may become entitled just like you, Bama fan. Until then....
Posted on 12/26/11 at 8:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It's been an awesome year, and I certainly am not going to focus on the negative until there is a real reason to do so, not some fake reason conjured out of insecurity. When you are at the top, people will find a reason to want you to fall.
Roger, you and I agree on the politard board, but you missed my entire point....
Your statement above is dead on. I don't focus on the negative. My attempt here is to provide fans who do with reasons as to why this negative attention happens, and what to do to ignore it. That's all.
You know what? IF, and I stress IF, LSU loses, I'll be over it in about 10 minutes, and will move on with life. I won't see the negative or have to replay Bama raising the trophy because I won't be watching the coverage of it anyway.
I laugh at the "insecure" part. I really do. I grew up during the worst decade of LSU football. I know what insecurity is. This is not it.
Posted on 12/26/11 at 9:03 am to TxTiger82
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So is it media markets? Or tradition?
EZE you are being incredibly inconsistent here. It is one or the other.
It is both. Sorry if that isn't consistently highlighted.
Notre Dame is a great example. ND lived off of a solid representation of a faux fan base two decades ago (media). Got them a deal in NBC that is still going. Now, they just literally live off of tradition since they haven't accomplished shite in over 20 years. I've provided the example of ND going from unranked to #10 after a 2-0 start just a few years ago in this thread, I believe, along with an SI cover with the title "They're Back"!!
OU - Lives off of tradition. Why the frick is their coach nicknamed "Big Game Bob" despite winning one BCS game since 2000? On the subject of OU, ask yourself this question:
If Oklahoma was in Oklahoma State's position three weeks ago, do you think Oklahoma sits at home like "Okie LITE"?
Yeah, LSU vs OU Jan 9th.
There is an obvious pecking order. I'm just pointing out our current place in this pecking order.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:28 am to EZE Tiger Fan
As much grief as I've been getting for this thread from those who cannot seem to grasp my point, I bring you...
Drum Roll...
Will Blackwell.
For those of you who are not familiar with Mr. Blackwell, he is literally IN THE TRENCHES every Saturday representing our team. Blackwell's emergence on the o-line the past year plus has been a huge spark for LSU. Easily one of our unsung heroes.
So, how does Mr. Blackwell feel about the rematch?
The question is posed to him at the 48 second mark of this interview:
Will Blackwell Knows LSU's Place
IMHO, this is hardly a "defeatist attitude". Will is coming from the same place I am coming from: Bama and LSU are different simply because of "brand" and media perception. Like Blackwell said, had LSU lost, he strongly doubts that they would have been given a second chance.
Are the same posters who misunderstood my entire point and replied with lame comments going to say the same about Mr. Blackwell? Surely not, right?
Then again, this is the rant....
In all seriousness, those of you complaining about what ESPN has been doing all week regarding the "Restoring Order" segments (which I have still not seen) need to be on your hands and knees thanking ESPN for this additional motivation.
Perhaps Will is saying this tongue-in-cheek and using it as his own form of motivation. I doubt it though. I think there are other players besides Will who really feel that way. They should.
You guys here have no idea how motivating all of this disrespect is to the team. I honestly hope ESPN hangs a Bama Championship Banner before the game. I really do. I want ESPN to make bigger asses out of themselves than they did in 2005 with their "Greatest Team Ever" talk.
When I worked with the team in 2003, the ESPN disrepect was huge motivating factor. What cracks me up in 2011 is Saban's hypocricy. I admit, I've been reading his comments. Saban and Bama truly are meant for each other. In 2003, Saban was humble in front of the media. Out of all the coaches involved in the 2003 fiasco, Saban showed much more class than Carroll or Stoops (not that this is hard to do). In 2011, he is a different person. Why? Well, he too has bought into the ESPN/Bama mystique and hype.
This too is good for LSU. Bama, along with ESPN, has apparently spent much more time justifying their place in this game. Like Blackwell said, LSU had to actually earn it. All Bama had to do was be Bama. Oh, and lose their most important game. Make no mistake about it folks, CFB fans across the country know this and are not really accepting it. See all the polls being quoted on this site dialy for this affirmation. CFB fans realize talking points like "quality losses" are not good for this game. (Not going to beat this horse much more. I devoted an entire thread to this point a while back).
I know the rantards who misunderstood my point will also take this out of context as well, but...
Our "place" in this game, this season, and history could be the biggest motivating factor in closing the deal. As I said in the OP. I FREAKIN' LOVE IT.
Drum Roll...
Will Blackwell.
For those of you who are not familiar with Mr. Blackwell, he is literally IN THE TRENCHES every Saturday representing our team. Blackwell's emergence on the o-line the past year plus has been a huge spark for LSU. Easily one of our unsung heroes.
So, how does Mr. Blackwell feel about the rematch?
The question is posed to him at the 48 second mark of this interview:
Will Blackwell Knows LSU's Place
IMHO, this is hardly a "defeatist attitude". Will is coming from the same place I am coming from: Bama and LSU are different simply because of "brand" and media perception. Like Blackwell said, had LSU lost, he strongly doubts that they would have been given a second chance.
Are the same posters who misunderstood my entire point and replied with lame comments going to say the same about Mr. Blackwell? Surely not, right?
Then again, this is the rant....
In all seriousness, those of you complaining about what ESPN has been doing all week regarding the "Restoring Order" segments (which I have still not seen) need to be on your hands and knees thanking ESPN for this additional motivation.
Perhaps Will is saying this tongue-in-cheek and using it as his own form of motivation. I doubt it though. I think there are other players besides Will who really feel that way. They should.
You guys here have no idea how motivating all of this disrespect is to the team. I honestly hope ESPN hangs a Bama Championship Banner before the game. I really do. I want ESPN to make bigger asses out of themselves than they did in 2005 with their "Greatest Team Ever" talk.
When I worked with the team in 2003, the ESPN disrepect was huge motivating factor. What cracks me up in 2011 is Saban's hypocricy. I admit, I've been reading his comments. Saban and Bama truly are meant for each other. In 2003, Saban was humble in front of the media. Out of all the coaches involved in the 2003 fiasco, Saban showed much more class than Carroll or Stoops (not that this is hard to do). In 2011, he is a different person. Why? Well, he too has bought into the ESPN/Bama mystique and hype.
This too is good for LSU. Bama, along with ESPN, has apparently spent much more time justifying their place in this game. Like Blackwell said, LSU had to actually earn it. All Bama had to do was be Bama. Oh, and lose their most important game. Make no mistake about it folks, CFB fans across the country know this and are not really accepting it. See all the polls being quoted on this site dialy for this affirmation. CFB fans realize talking points like "quality losses" are not good for this game. (Not going to beat this horse much more. I devoted an entire thread to this point a while back).
I know the rantards who misunderstood my point will also take this out of context as well, but...
Our "place" in this game, this season, and history could be the biggest motivating factor in closing the deal. As I said in the OP. I FREAKIN' LOVE IT.
This post was edited on 12/30/11 at 8:33 am
Posted on 12/30/11 at 9:34 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Very good my young padouin. You have learned much through the years of horse crap from the media.
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