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re: The Internal Problem of QB Development
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:25 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:25 am to SammyTiger
Not to worry guys, wait till next year & we will be in trouble again because no one in the LSU coaching staff knows how to coach a QB. 
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:25 am to tygersgm
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AUBURN HAS A DB PLAYING QB where was this guys "development"????
well he was at a JUCO
But it isn't like he is throwing a ton either. He had 14 TDs last year, and 14 this year. under 1700 yards passing, 14 td and 5 picks isn't a great year passing.
He is a runner. thats no where near as hard to coach.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:25 am to SammyTiger
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I picked them for several reason 1. players i remembered 2. all played at high level without taking a snap
all of them played in great offenses. I would say with the best offensive coaches in college. Something LSU lacks.
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Blake Sims had 39 passing attempts before taking over.
What does that tell you? Alabama has better coaching? Better offense?
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It isn't a prerequisite to success.
Never said it was but it definitely aids in development. I guess you don't think playing young players in blowouts on the oline, defense...etc doesn't help them develop?
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You can't say Mett was ready because of UGA and JUCO, but wasn't ready because we didn't play him in 2011.
i would think he would have been rusty. Still takes some time to get used to D1 speed. He looked great against bama in 2012...who is to say with a little more development in 2011 he wouldn't have had a better first year starting and possibly a better senior year?
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There are very few QBs that got a large amount of snap before they were a starter.
most programs that blow out teams they should (one knock on CLM throughout his career) tend to get their qbs live snaps when games get out of hand.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:26 am to UGATiger26
I REALLY wish one of our former signal callers would come out and enlighten the fanbase as to how the inner workings of Les' offenses actually are. Jared Lee, perhaps. Somebody to shed light on what goes on behind the Berlin Wall that is LSU practices under Miles'.
I'd love to know what he sees in practice and in the film room that leads him to make the decisions that he does.
I'd love to know what he sees in practice and in the film room that leads him to make the decisions that he does.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:27 am to UGATiger26
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My personal opinion is that Les prefers docile QB’s who will be “good soldiers” and avoid turnovers. That’s not necessarily a bad thing in itself, but having that philosophy does have consequences. QB development is suffering from it.
As an outsider, I mostly agree with your observations. I was hoping that Miles' philosophy would have changed since Cam Cameron became the OC. Cam is Miles' good buddy and has the knowledge and experiences running variety of offense. We were happy seeing the offense during Zach's time and attributed it mostly to Cam. But now, I'm completely puzzled with what is going on with our QBs situation; it seems JJ/JL era is being rerun again...
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:27 am to cajunjj
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Not to worry guys, wait till next year & we will be in trouble again because no one in the LSU coaching staff knows how to coach a QB.
Cam Cameron knows. but people want a magician not a coach.
There are only 4 starting QBs what would give him a large amount of credit in their development.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:28 am to Ironhead985
I think they reason we don't is because they would be speaking negatively about the program and CLM...if they had positive things to say don't you think we would hear them?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:29 am to macanLSU
I totally agree with u!!!
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:31 am to Topwater Trout
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I think they reason we don't is because they would be speaking negatively about the program and CLM...if they had positive things to say don't you think we would hear them?
Just so we are clear, are you wanting former players to dog the program to the media? To what end?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:32 am to SammyTiger
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There are only 4 starting QBs what would give him a large amount of credit in their development.
Really? Weren't they all great college qbs? Maybe this is a case where the players make the coach look good.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:39 am to UGATiger26
quote:Well-said! It boggles the mind how much verbage is given here to people who think they have explained everything away by saying we don't have SEC calibre QBs, when in fact ours are/were highly recruited by other SEC (and other) teams and highly rated in HS. But the difference has always been once they come to LSU, their development goes into "no progress" or dormant stage. And in some cases, it regresses. We're watching it regress right now. It's a shame because I believe both AJ and BH are more in a string of diamonds in the rough, who are not being put into situations their talents can shine from. They are being forced into unnatural (for them) kinds of QBing to fit Cam's and CLM's inner (fevered) picture of quality offense. And of course, because they do not shine, their confidence suffers. THe receivers' confidence suffers. It all falls onto the OL and RBs to carry whatever unbalanced offense we can muster. And of course, the defense and special teams to save the day.
I can’t believe the amount of people who excuse the QB play as “let’s face it. We just don’t have an SEC-caliber QB this year.” Well, why the hell not? Why can so many other schools who don’t have the resources of LSU plug in new guys every year who can, at the very least, complete 55-60% of their passes for a couple thousand yards? Why is this such a struggle for LSU? It’s obvious that it’s an internal problem, and not just a matter of external circumstances.
This post was edited on 11/21/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:40 am to Topwater Trout
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What does that tell you? Alabama has better coaching? Better offense?
or they have a 5th year senior at QB instead of a sophomore/freshmen
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Never said it was but it definitely aids in development. I guess you don't think playing young players in blowouts on the oline, defense...etc doesn't help them develop?
Sure they don't hurt, but time in the program is way more important.
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i would think he would have been rusty. Still takes some time to get used to D1 speed. He looked great against bama in 2012...who is to say with a little more development in 2011 he wouldn't have had a better first year starting and possibly a better senior year?
Because the things we did bad wouldn't have been fixed by a few reps in blowouts. Mett has said that Cam came in and fixed his footwork, changed the way he made reads. Mett gives Cam credit, but i guess he doesn't know as much as you do.
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most programs that blow out teams they should (one knock on CLM throughout his career) tend to get their qbs live snaps when games get out of hand.
How many passes does Jake Coker have?
How Many passes did EJ manuel have before he was a starter?
Teams just don't give second (or third string QBs in Metts case) the kind of snaps you seem to think is common.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:41 am to SammyTiger
quote:Oh, then I guess that explains it all.
they have a 5th year senior at QB instead of a sophomore/freshmen
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:43 am to SammyTiger
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so they had a year to a year and a half if they wear Early Enrollees.
Ok, so again why do we have continued problems with guys who are in the system for this same amount of time?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:43 am to SammyTiger
SammyTiger, don't argue with the Rant. Every backup QB that we have had, or have currently should be getting "meaningful" snaps to further his development. Both of us have given multiple examples of QBs who didn't receive ANY snaps the year before and excelled when taking over the job, but don't argue with the Rant, they know much more than us.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:44 am to JawjaTigah
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when in fact ours are/were highly recruited by other SEC (and other) teams and highly rated in HS.
Anthony Jennings wasn't even recruited by Georgia. His offers came from us, Arkansas, Arkansas St, Boston College, and Cincinnati.
Oh yeah. Big time SEC recruit there.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:46 am to DBU
quote:Well I think Arkansas just handed LSU its azz this past Saturday, if I am not mistaken. So your point is...?
His offers came from us, Arkansas, Arkansas St, Boston College, and Cincinnati.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:48 am to Topwater Trout
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Really? Weren't they all great college qbs? Maybe this is a case where the players make the coach look good.
How many great college QBs failed in the NFL? You need to keep developing if you are going to succeed. When i say they give Cam credit, I mean i have read article of at least 2 of them giving Cam credit with the words they say.
Mett wasn't a great college QB before Cam
Brees wasn't a great NFL QB before Cam
“Cam has had a tremendous impact on me as a young quarterback. He brings a lot of knowledge with both the game planning and the system that he runs. He had a lot to do with my success this year. He’s a great motivator. He has a great understanding of the game in all phases. He really has the demeanor about him that exudes a lot of confidence. I think his players feed off of that.”
-Phillip Rivers
“Listen, Cam has done so much for my career,” Flacco said. “He brought me here and trusted to bring me here, first of all. He’s just helped me every year I’ve been here. I’ll never forget that. He’s been great for me.”
-Joe Flacco
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:48 am to sjmabry
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SammyTiger, don't argue with the Rant. Every backup QB that we have had, or have currently should be getting "meaningful" snaps to further his development. Both of us have given multiple examples of QBs who didn't receive ANY snaps the year before and excelled when taking over the job, but don't argue with the Rant, they know much more than us.
We are talking about QB development as the problem. Yes yall provided examples of guys that stepped in and did well before meaningful playing time. So, in essence, we shouldn't be able to continually use that as an excuse for our piss poor QB play
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:51 am to BeeFense5
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Just so we are clear, are you wanting former players to dog the program to the media? To what end?
when have I said that. I am saying the silence speaks for itself.
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