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re: The Final Series: A Series of Pictures
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:24 am to Lsupimp
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:24 am to Lsupimp
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Wouldn't the better course of action been to have downed it with say 14 seconds, minus the substitutions,and had the time to line up for ONE WELL ORGANIZED final play ?
HEll no. YOU don't waste a down when there is time for 2 downs for 2 well organized plays. A well prepared coach/QB can get off 3 well organized plays with 14 seconds left from the 1 yard line. It has been done repeatedly.
Its clear CROWTON had no plan in place for having 2 plays called and Jefferson was not coached to handle that situation in practice.
This is a coaching issue and its all on CROWTON
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Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:26 am to Elleshoe
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ETA: I never thought Jefferson was in the complete wrong for the end of the game
No, he's not in the complete wrong, but the majority lays on his shoulders. He shouldn't have been in the game in the first place.
@ Jefferson getting into a groove. You know who was in a groove? Lee. He made some CLUTCH throws and a 21 yard pass on 4th down that Jefferson couldn't have made if his career depended on it.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:26 am to Swat5
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The whole mess started with Crowton taking J Lee out of the game so he could run his precious QB option to the weak side....ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE.
Yes!! This is ground zero here!!
And as disappointed as I am in Miles, I can only imagine him trying to figure out a way to "over ride" Crowton's insanity in a matter of seconds and weighing the ability to do it and still get PROPER play in there in time.... you have to know that his life was flashing before his eyes when he realized that Crowton was trotting JJ out there on second down and 30 seconds to go......
eta: and going by T-bobs comments about how they'd been instructed on these scenarios since Ole Miss... I want to believe that Miles attempted to make good on his promise not to let this happen again. I mean, the O-line man did something about the vanishing clock, and isn't that the individual group that Miles does work with himself??
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 10:28 am
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:26 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Ridley was still getting set the moment the ball was snapped.
In that situation, given the crowd noise and the clock running down, the QB has to anticipate the snap the moment the players are set. There's no way around that.
Should he have anticipated the snap while Ridley was still getting set at the 0:05 mark?
No, the center has to wait for the call. If the center does not have the capacity to wait, he hikes it with 1 second.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:27 am to Tiger Ryno
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This is a coaching issue and its all on CROWTON
While coaching plays a part as this should be practiced EVERY DAY, I'm sorry but I can't give JJ a pass. He just stood there and let 20 seconds run off the freakin clock looking like a deer in headlights.
This should be pure instinct for ANY QB above the pee-wee level of football.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:28 am to Tiger Ryno
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Jefferson was not coached to handle that situation in practice.
How do you know he wasn't?
By the dumb look on his face, it looks like he had no clue. Again, as I always say, the coaches can only coach so much.
The coaching blunder here are the decisions they made. Not the player being coached.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:28 am to slackster
quote:Yes, it was a mistake. I changed it.quote:Now, I know that is a typo
JJ was getting into a groove throwing the ball. He made some very costly mental mistakes, but his arm was hot.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:28 am to just me
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No, the center has to wait for the call. If the center does not have the capacity to wait, he hikes it with 1 second.
So you dispute Miles notion that JJ called for the ball with 3 seconds but nobody heard him?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:29 am to just me
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No, the center has to wait for the call. If the center does not have the capacity to wait, he hikes it with 1 second.
The team was set and Jefferson was still looking around dumbfounded. Hebert made the right play.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:29 am to just me
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(1) Jefferson was correct in not immediately clocking the ball. Immediately clocking the ball would have been the wrong call, and it would have taken a down away from his coaches.
For a team and coaching staff that have a repetitive history of clock mis-management issues I think the best and safest route to take would be to stop the clock as soon as possible. The first thing that Jefferson should have done is jumped up with absolutely no need to look to the sideline for instructions and lined the guys that were on the field to clock the ball. The guys coming in from the sideline if they had any sense would have returned to the sideline if they saw the offense getting set. Given this staff and JJ's history with clock management the conservative approach would have been best. One play is better than none in all game ending situations where you are behind on the scoreboard.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:29 am to Newbomb Turk
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I agree with you, clocking it would have taken away a down
Ok, wait!!!
It's already been concluded that because of movement, alignment, substitutions, etc., he couldn't have clocked it until 4 seconds left.
Its third down...either take your shot on third down or clock it, get another play clock and a play and win it on fourth down
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:30 am to Weaver
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Lee at least looks like he knows what he is doing, JJ doesn't, but in his defense, there was no play called. The plan was to run the play, get the subs in and then run two more plays. I don't think you can do this with 25 seconds left and no timeouts, unless the QB knew the plays ahead of time and that was not the case.
Hey, here's an idea. Why don't the coaches run a drill where the scenario is that all communication is lost, no timeouts, game clock running. Let's see which QB has the brains to figure out what to do. They should be familiar with a few plays that they can call from memory. Hell, the have a shitload of them written on their wrists! Run this drill a few times and I bet you could eliminate some of the bullshite that we've seen.
And if you find that you have a QB or any other position player who can't function under that pressure then don't let them on the field when this type of situatin occurs.
All of this bullshite comes down to a combination of the following:
-Lack of coaching/player preparation
-Lack of real time mental clarity on the part of certain players and coaches in critical situations
That's it. Please stop wasting your time trying to analyze this from every conceivable angle/perspective. Everyone is to blame from Jefferson to Miles to Crowton. Besides, the seeds of this Clusterfrick weren't sown in the last 30 seconds of that game, but rather the previous fricking 5 years!!!
I beg you, give it a rest. Let's look forward to Florida. I know things seem bleek and possibly hopeless. But we still have a defense and special teams that can carry us. We have a chance even if Jefferson starts the game. I won't like it, but I'll be watching!
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Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:31 am to just me
I can see that your undying search for truth and use of logic are wearing you down, and you are coming to terms with the inevitable.
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:31 am to just me
I can't believe people are really so dumb that they needed this.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:31 am to just me
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just me
Nowhere do you explain why Jefferson decided it would be a good idea to fall on the ball with 0:00 showing on the clock
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:31 am to Newbomb Turk
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He just stood there and let 20 seconds run off the freakin clock looking like a deer in headlights.
I'm thinking that's because they sent him out there with only 1 play, and then had players running in and out all confused. I'm not sending in JJ's paperwork for MENSA, but Crowton seemed to shovel him out there pretty helter skelter, and that's what we got!!
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:32 am to Newbomb Turk
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While coaching plays a part as this should be practiced EVERY DAY, I'm sorry but I can't give JJ a pass. He just stood there and let 20 seconds run off the freakin clock looking like a deer in headlights.
I don't disagree. in fact that should be a staple of every practice from now on.
Its clear at this point that JJ has no football IQ and cannot think critically out there. he is basically a robot doing only the next play the coaches give him.
I still say its on the coaches for putting him in that situation knowing he can't handle it and it was on CROWTON FOR NOT HAVING A SECOND PLAY CALLED AND BEING DAMN SURE JEFFERSON WAS CAPABLE OF HANDLING IT>
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:32 am to Newbomb Turk
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Standing to the side of your line watching your idiot coach conduct a Chinese fire drill AS 20 VALUABLE SECONDS JUST RUN OFF THE CLOCK is just plain and utter stupidity.
It aint often that I agree with NT but when He's right, he's right.Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:34 am to just me
just me, just let it go. your knighting JJ is not going to produce any change of hearts.
besides, it's getting weird how hard you are fighting everyone on this.
besides, it's getting weird how hard you are fighting everyone on this.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:34 am to Elleshoe
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No, the center has to wait for the call. If the center does not have the capacity to wait, he hikes it with 1 second.
The team was set and Jefferson was still looking around dumbfounded. Hebert made the right play.
His attempt to trash Hebert in this instance, based upon the assumption that Jefferson would have called for the ball, within the span of less than one second basically, is where his logic and reasoning break down.
We can only go off what we KNOW happened, not the assumption just me's making.
I haven't really "trashed" Jefferson on here, and don't think he should possibly shoulder more than 5% of the blame in this scenario. I just still say, with less than 3 seconds left on the clock he simply HAS to anticipate that a snap is forthcoming, whether he "calls for it" or not.
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