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re: The elephant in the room re: Chavis and personnel decisions
Posted on 11/14/13 at 10:51 am to BilJ
Posted on 11/14/13 at 10:51 am to BilJ
the main problem is the profile of players Chablis wants at certain positions needs to fundamentally change. he needs bigger ends and 2 out of 3 LBs need to be bigger. he has no problem with putting three guys at LB that are all 210 pounds. you better run like Deion Sanders if you are playing LB that small.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 10:53 am to BilJ
Welter wouldn't start for a good Sunbelt team. I can't believe he's consistently on the field for LSU.
Welter playing is a huge indictment of Miles and Chavis's ability to recruit in recent years. Just all there is to it.
Welter playing is a huge indictment of Miles and Chavis's ability to recruit in recent years. Just all there is to it.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 10:55 am to RedTigerRulz
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If he was such hot shite then why would there have been a need or a "want" for that matter to replace him??
they were replacing the head coach, whose top asst/ close friend was Chavis. unless they were bringing in someone that was also close to Chavis, it was highly unlikely he was going to be retained.
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Not every new coach that comes in cleans house.
I know that, look at Les and Jimbo. I just said it was uncommon. a position coach that's a good recruiter? yeah. other than that, not likely, most coaches want "their" guys.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 10:57 am to wahoocs
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I just can't wrap my head around how we settled at the Mike position
I'll never get the line of thinking behind it and can not possibly understand how they thought it was going to work. Welter doesn't even look like he should be on scholarship much less a lock to start every week.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:00 am to Catman88
I have all those same questions and more and that's why I responded as such.
But, I don't think you can ignore the previous facts stated when evaluating the defense as a whole.
But, I don't think you can ignore the previous facts stated when evaluating the defense as a whole.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:00 am to ColaTiger
It's painful to watch. Our d ain't been this bad in forever.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:07 am to wahoocs
The saddest thing about watching DJ play is that you can tell that he knows he cant compete as well. Its as if he almost actively tries to take himself out of the play sometimes to avoid having to make the play. There was one play vs Bama where he should have made the play and missed and someone else makes the tackle for him then you see DJ quickly engaged with a blocker WHILE the runner was being tackled by his teammate. One of the strangest things I have ever seen.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:07 am to tigerfan in bamaland
there's literally nothing this D does consistently well. not stop the run, cover, force TOs, pressure the passer, make tackles behind the LOS, tackle in space. nothing. it's astounding.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:10 am to ATLTiger
But yet this team and its coaches knew this in week 5 and chose not to change anything.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:16 am to ATLTiger
here's what also bugs me, people keep bringing up the weak DL argument. Fine but you knew that going into the year, so starting Welter there should not have even been a consideration. Your top priority the entire camp should have been preparing Beckwith/Louis to man the spot. No wasting 1st team reps with someone who wasn't going to hack it and wasting Beckwith's time cross training at DE.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:20 am to Catman88
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The saddest thing about watching DJ play is that you can tell that he knows he cant compete as well. Its as if he almost actively tries to take himself out of the play sometimes to avoid having to make the play. There was one play vs Bama where he should have made the play and missed and someone else makes the tackle for him then you see DJ quickly engaged with a blocker WHILE the runner was being tackled by his teammate. One of the strangest things I have ever seen.
Saw the same thing......I've seen him actually run the other way (not sure whether on purpose or not)to avoid getting trucked by a bigger RB. totally confounding!!!!
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:20 am to tigerjunior
tigerjunior, "with us losing so many in the draft"
This excuse has been used often for our lack of performance this year. FSU lost eight defensive players last year to the draft. The mark of a successfully managed program is to reload or back up talent through personnel decisions and recruiting. Last year's starters should have had comparable talent on the sideline considering the financial resources that are invested in our systemj . Our defensive play this year is not attributable to what we lost, but what we have. To continue to make excuses, instead if identifying weaknesses, will result in the current pattern of our slide.
This excuse has been used often for our lack of performance this year. FSU lost eight defensive players last year to the draft. The mark of a successfully managed program is to reload or back up talent through personnel decisions and recruiting. Last year's starters should have had comparable talent on the sideline considering the financial resources that are invested in our systemj . Our defensive play this year is not attributable to what we lost, but what we have. To continue to make excuses, instead if identifying weaknesses, will result in the current pattern of our slide.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:51 am to tigerjunior
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Chief is having one bad year, which is expected with us losing so many in the draft and having to start so many freshman. Chill, stop being so negative, and learn to enjoy pulling for the tigers.
This isn't about one down year. Malveto was crucified for what was not even as bad of a defense. The issue arises from LSU's and particularly Chavis' issues in defending in the final minutes of a half/game. He proved all of last year that he coaches those situations poorly and teams will take advantage of it. LSU has yet to close a competitive game (within 10 points) effectively in the last 2 years.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:56 am to BilJ
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here's what also bugs me, people keep bringing up the weak DL argument. Fine but you knew that going into the year, so starting Welter there should not have even been a consideration. Your top priority the entire camp should have been preparing Beckwith/Louis to man the spot. No wasting 1st team reps with someone who wasn't going to hack it and wasting Beckwith's time cross training at DE.
If you watched Louis early, it was very obvious that he wasn't ready...he made plenty of mistakes. I don't think it is crazy to have a coach select what he believes is the lesser of two evils in hopes that he can bring the younger guy on without taking unnecessary risk early in the year.
The DEs are getting crushed. Teams are running off tackle with ease. Our LBs are at a severe disadvantage. That doesn't mean Welter is actually good (I don't think he is), but it does mean that the unit could perform a whole lot better with quality(not necessarily great...just decent) DL play.
I also don't think it is crazy to take a guy like Beckwith...who may not have shown the instincts to play MLB right off the bat even though he has the physical skills, and see where he might fit better long term.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:59 am to Geauxgurt
Another thing is that whether lacking in talent or not, this defense has shown little to no improvement over the course of the season.
They continue to miss assignments.
They continue to get out of position.
They continue to play hesitant.
The continue to lose contain.
This isn't happening against just Bama, it's happened against every team. Hell, even UF moved the ball at times on this defense and their offense has shown to be horrid.
People can defend the defensive coaching all they want, but I am pretty darn sure that Ole Miss with less talent and experience in several cases in that game effectively slowed down LSU's offense while LSU's defense allowed Ole Miss to just move the ball at will during that game.
The loss of talent from last season was surely to effect this team, and no one can say otherwise, but the fact remains it shouldn't have made this defense this bad, and that is where poor coaching at LBer and DB along with poor scheming have come into play.
They continue to miss assignments.
They continue to get out of position.
They continue to play hesitant.
The continue to lose contain.
This isn't happening against just Bama, it's happened against every team. Hell, even UF moved the ball at times on this defense and their offense has shown to be horrid.
People can defend the defensive coaching all they want, but I am pretty darn sure that Ole Miss with less talent and experience in several cases in that game effectively slowed down LSU's offense while LSU's defense allowed Ole Miss to just move the ball at will during that game.
The loss of talent from last season was surely to effect this team, and no one can say otherwise, but the fact remains it shouldn't have made this defense this bad, and that is where poor coaching at LBer and DB along with poor scheming have come into play.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:59 am to Geauxgurt
The bad part is that Chavis will have to leave because Miles won't make him.
While it could be worst than having Chavis, in no way do I think he's a great DC. He's real good at some things, terrible at others.
While it could be worst than having Chavis, in no way do I think he's a great DC. He's real good at some things, terrible at others.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 12:08 pm to moneyg
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. I don't think it is crazy to have a coach select what he believes is the lesser of two evils in hopes that he can bring the younger guy on without taking unnecessary risk early in the year.
How is welter the lesser of 2 evils? Louis had his frick ups, but at least when in position he could at least make plays. Even on the rare occasion welter doesn't get his arse blasted out of the hole, he still can't make the play.
OL/FBs don't even have to be physical to take welter out, just stand in his way really.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 12:13 pm to BigEdLSU
I did see Chavis at McDonalds on Burbank Monday morning..
Posted on 11/14/13 at 12:17 pm to moneyg
I can appreciate Chavis being behind the 8 ball here.
But, I saw Louis fill a gap. I've seen Louis have the speed to contain outside the end.
I watch less than SEC caliber football most of the time. Last night for example, Ball St and NIU both had more YAC than they did otherwise. I can count on one hand the number of times 31 has made a tackle within 3 yards of the LOS. And he never leaves the field.
I can't possibly fathom how our continued toleration of that level of play at that position is helping this team now or the future.
In regards to Beckwith, you just said our DEs are getting crushed, and yet Beckwith gets three snaps per significant game. At some point, common sense should take over. The redshirt is gone, and this kid , who has shown more ability in a very short period of time, is in limbo without having gained significant experience outside of special teams.
I would relate The handling of Beckwith to that of our next season's starting QB getting significant playing time.
But, I saw Louis fill a gap. I've seen Louis have the speed to contain outside the end.
I watch less than SEC caliber football most of the time. Last night for example, Ball St and NIU both had more YAC than they did otherwise. I can count on one hand the number of times 31 has made a tackle within 3 yards of the LOS. And he never leaves the field.
I can't possibly fathom how our continued toleration of that level of play at that position is helping this team now or the future.
In regards to Beckwith, you just said our DEs are getting crushed, and yet Beckwith gets three snaps per significant game. At some point, common sense should take over. The redshirt is gone, and this kid , who has shown more ability in a very short period of time, is in limbo without having gained significant experience outside of special teams.
I would relate The handling of Beckwith to that of our next season's starting QB getting significant playing time.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 12:26 pm to wahoocs
I wonder how film review goes with the defense
Specifically with welter:
Chavis: what the hell was that DJ?
Welter: well he was running really fast.
Chavis: you were running in the other direction! wtf are you doing there?
Welter: I thought a had a good angle. Look at least everyone was set right?
Specifically with welter:
Chavis: what the hell was that DJ?
Welter: well he was running really fast.
Chavis: you were running in the other direction! wtf are you doing there?
Welter: I thought a had a good angle. Look at least everyone was set right?
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