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re: The Corey R… While he was here, we had damn good recruiting, and we were known as DBU
Posted on 1/13/24 at 3:59 pm to Hoosyadaddy
Posted on 1/13/24 at 3:59 pm to Hoosyadaddy
Doesn’t do any good to get the recruits if you can’t coach them up. Go back and look at where we ranked with CR at the helm his last few years here.
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 4:07 pm to muddbone
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Did you not see the talent at Florida
You got more insight than any of these keyboard warriors on here. Whats your take on CR?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 4:37 pm to muddbone
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Did you not see the talent at Florida
How was his recruiting at Florida....not being combative I just honestly don't know.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 4:39 pm to tiggerthetooth
People that blame Corey Raymond for 2020 and 2021 are kinda dumb
Posted on 1/13/24 at 4:49 pm to Hoosyadaddy
Thought he should be DC and quit trying.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:19 pm to LSUFAN227
How about 2022?
2023?
2019?
LSU hasn't had a pass defense inside the top 20 since 2017. Corey Raymond owns that.
2023?
2019?
LSU hasn't had a pass defense inside the top 20 since 2017. Corey Raymond owns that.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:22 pm to Hoosyadaddy
Correlation = causation?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:24 pm to wadewilson
quote:you can’t pin pass defense all on the defensive backs… If a quarterback has all day to throw a pass, he’s going to do very well.
LSU hasn't had a pass defense inside the top 20 since 2017. Corey Raymond owns that.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:25 pm to Hoosyadaddy
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What am I missing?
All the threads where this was already discussed and answered. But congrats on starting another one. You’ll get lots of responses.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:26 pm to Tiger Ugly
Tip top…
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:40 pm to Chicken
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you can’t pin pass defense all on the defensive backs… If a quarterback has all day to throw a pass, he’s going to do very well.
And that's fair enough.
I've given my opinion in other posts. Raymond is probably going to demand a premium, and even if he's still a great, but not elite, recruiter, there are better developers out there.
If we're going to spend $8-900,000 on a secondary coach they better have recent excellent success.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:17 pm to Honkus
You can continue to blame Ed and he does have to shoulder his share. The freaking team quit in 20 and 21. You have to ask yourself why? Pelini didn’t just all of a sudden forget how to coach defense. You can believe that if you want. Raymond and Clark instigated things against Pelini, players themselves said they were not gonna play for him. They need to keep Corey Raymond as far from this football team as possible and never let Ryan Clark back on campus.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:45 pm to Salviati
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But why Aranda feel the need to hire Busch in 2018?
Because as part of his new contract he wanted to make his own hire to bring in one of his guys. However, that’s when pass defense began to take a dip.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:50 pm to Hoosyadaddy
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What am I missing? Serious question.
2020 to present day.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:59 pm to Honkus
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Give him a pass here. CR loves LSU. CR loves Louisiana. Reportedly butted heads with Sunbelt Billy. As far as 2020-2021? Covid/Natty hangover for the whole program. CEO takes 80% of the blame here letting things get so bad.
Ok Sulphursfinest. That turd is Mr. defender of Raymond’s BS. He was always covered by his DC and other on field coaches like Busch. Busch knew how to run his defense. They worked together at multiple stops.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:05 pm to Will2nd
Everyone can hate Corey Raymond all you want for your stupid pathetic unfounded reasons the facts are when for 3 years after 2019 nc players left via the transfer portal or the nfl LSU lost a lot of players to that, y’all tend to valunterally forget these things. You would rather blame a coach than to blame two things that has destroyed all these teams roster management, LSU was the team that got it worse, so when you blame a coach and say that one of the best db coaches lost his skills of coaching and recruiting, remember all these db coaches that y’all want to come to LSU, they are all within the same age. Which means they are in their early 50’s. Corey Raymond is 54, terry joseph is 52, Ron Cooper is 52, and yes some are a little younger but remember these coaches just don’t forget how to coach they have been doing it longer than you think
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:27 pm to Salviati
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Okay, Orgeron/Covid/Natty Hangover caused plenty of problems for 2020-21.
But why Aranda feel the need to hire Busch in 2018?
Here some facts this board forget all too often...
- This is the time frame the NCAA started allowing an additional on-field coach.
- The ever-increasing passing in college led to more school doing the EXACT SAME thing of splitting CBs & Safeties
- A bad pass defense isn't always completely on the DB coach; a shitty DC affects this too.
- According to the folks hating on CR, their arguments against him inadvertently point out that LSU's pass defense was better when CR coached all DBs.
- In 2022, CR only coached CBs at UF. In 2023, he coached all DBs and the passing yards allowed (and total defense) improved despite the team being much worse.
- for those that think he can't recruit, UF had a 5 star DB decommit from them after CR was fired.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:44 pm to GeorgeWest
He didn’t bomb at recruiting, he recruited 3 good DBs and got the only Top ten player from La(Mack) regardless of what people think he was still ranked high in the state.
Napier was firing people left and right, Corey got the ax, Mack left to Texas. I’m not saying he’s a great Coach but he’s a better recruiter than Steeples, once aligned, there’s enough on this new staff to get him straightened out. I believe he can still recruit, he’s got a chance to restart, drink a Red Bull and get going. Those coaches on Napier’s staff are on a plank headed one way off the end. Have you seen that 24 schedule for Florida , the only thing that keeps them there is if Lagaway shows out. Florida might’ve gave Corey a break firing him early.
Napier was firing people left and right, Corey got the ax, Mack left to Texas. I’m not saying he’s a great Coach but he’s a better recruiter than Steeples, once aligned, there’s enough on this new staff to get him straightened out. I believe he can still recruit, he’s got a chance to restart, drink a Red Bull and get going. Those coaches on Napier’s staff are on a plank headed one way off the end. Have you seen that 24 schedule for Florida , the only thing that keeps them there is if Lagaway shows out. Florida might’ve gave Corey a break firing him early.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:56 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Explain to me how he was a “lazy” recruiter? Stingley, Fulton, ricks ! There is more!
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