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re: The CFP is the worst system for determining a champion...ever.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:45 am to CDawson
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:45 am to CDawson
quote:This.
Take 8
5 Power 5 champs
3 at large.
Play one extra week at home field of highest seed then got to the final four and championship game at neutral sites. All problems solved.
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:46 am to Crow Pie
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The BCS was better than this subjective eye test bullshite
Someone doesn't remember how the BCS worked.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:47 am to TchPowDog
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Oh. So Oregon or Utah deserve to be #5 over Bama? How do you justify this?
How do you justify Bama being #5? Just because they're Bama?
Who has Bama beaten that makes one say "Bama is certainly a top-5 team?"
Is it because they played LSU within 5 points? Inferior teams play great teams closely all the time. Just this year, UNC lost to Clemson by 1. Does that mean UNC is almost as good as Clemson? Of course not. Yet, without even realizing it, we apply a different standard to Bama when they lose just because they are Bama.
Do they have a top-5 offense? Absolutely.
Are they a top-5 team? I'm really not so sure.
You shouldn't be either. Nobody should. That's why this "eye test" bullshite is asinine.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:57 am to UGATiger26
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How do you justify Bama being #5? Just because they're Bama?
No, frickhead. They have 1 loss (by 5 points) to the #1 team in the country! I'm surprised they're at #5, they should be #4. Georgia lost to South Carolina.
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Who has Bama beaten that makes one say "Bama is certainly a top-5 team?"
Who has Oregon beaten? Who has Utah beaten? Minnesota has one of the shittiest schedules in the country, they also have close wins against G5 teams.
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Do they have a top-5 offense? Absolutely.
Are they a top-5 team? I'm really not so sure.
If you tell me there are 5 or 6 teams who you feel would beat Bama today you are lying through your teeth. The purpose of the CFP to gather the 4 BEST teams for the playoff. And YOU KNOW Alabama is one of the 4 best teams.
You're just sick of Alabama. We all are. But bitching and whining that they're a "media darling" and they always get the benefit of doubt is just a fricking excuse. They have a great program and they win games, they prove this every single year - Orgeron knows the recipe to change that and that's what he's doing. But whining and complaining is not going to end Bama's dynasty.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:58 am to tigabait01
It's about the ratings. No thing other than the ratings!
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:59 am to tigabait01
Why not just take the top 4 of the BCS?
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 11:59 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:01 pm to TchPowDog
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And YOU KNOW Alabama is one of the 4 best teams.
No, I don't. You don't either. It's complete speculation.
This is 2019. The playoffs should be about 2019 only. Playoff spots should not be lifetime achievement awards.
I don't give a flying frick what Bama did in 2018, or 2017, etc.
What have they done this season?
They've lost their only difficult game at home, and beaten a bunch of mediocre teams.
Are they a top-10 team? Sure, I'd be comfortable saying that. But top-5? Not so sure.
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They have 1 loss (by 5 points) to the #1 team in the country!
UNC lost by 1 point to the #3 team in the country! Surely, they're at least a top-10 team, right?
...Right?
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:07 pm to UGATiger26
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They've lost their only difficult game at home, and beaten a bunch of mediocre teams.
So take this and compare it to Oregon and Utah. What do you come up with?
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They've lost their only difficult game at home
By 5 points.
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and beaten a bunch of mediocre teams.
By a lot of points
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Are they a top-10 team? Sure, I'd be comfortable saying that. But top-5? Not so sure.
By your logic, what tells you any of this?
Give me your top 10. I'm very curious.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:08 pm to tigabait01
quote:So hypothetically, a conference with 3 of the top 4 teams should be relegated to 1 CFP slot, while a conference without a top 5 squad should be equally represented?
Agree with a poster below. Just pick 4 from the 5 conference champs.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:09 pm to UGATiger26
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UNC lost by 1 point to the #3 team in the country! Surely, they're at least a top-10 team, right?
...Right?
No! They've lost 5 games!
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:15 pm to tigabait01
I agree. I think the BCS selection system was better. I would rather go back to that system to select 4 teams for a playoff.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:17 pm to tigabait01
It's about the same as the old BCS system.
In any event, all P5 schools should be divided up into conferences based on region and similarly, all G5 schools should be divided up into 8 conferences also based on region.
Then the winners of the 8 conferences of the P5 division playoff for a national championship and the winners of the 8 conferences of the G5 division playoff for a national championship.
No computers and no biased humans. It's perfect, it's simple, and it's fair.
In any event, all P5 schools should be divided up into conferences based on region and similarly, all G5 schools should be divided up into 8 conferences also based on region.
Then the winners of the 8 conferences of the P5 division playoff for a national championship and the winners of the 8 conferences of the G5 division playoff for a national championship.
No computers and no biased humans. It's perfect, it's simple, and it's fair.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:18 pm to TchPowDog
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By 5 points.
Again...UNC lost to Clemson by 1. Doesn't automatically mean that UNC is almost as good as Clemson.
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By a lot of points
Go check out the results of Wisconsin's first 6 games.
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By your logic, what tells you any of this?
My "logic" is to simply refrain from proclaiming Bama as the #5 team, based on nothing more than being Bama and "losing with style."
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Give me your top 10. I'm very curious
I don't have a top 10, because I think this entire committee/playoff format is retarded.
Let playoff spots be settled on the field. Not by some committee doing "eye tests."
9-7 division champs from crappy divisions make the NFL playoffs all the time, and 10-6 teams from good divisions get left out. And nobody complains. Why is that?
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:18 pm to TchPowDog
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No! They've lost 5 games!
I don't care about those other 4 games. They played Clemson within 1 point.
What does that tell you about evaluating teams based on how closely they played a good team?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:19 pm to tigabait01
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Agree with a poster below. Just pick 4 from the 5 conference champs. Leave one out every year. It should be easier that way.
until that year when LSU looks better than anyone else the whole year and a fluke play beats them against an SEC west team and they don't go to Atlanta and don't even get considered.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:22 pm to UGATiger26
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I don't care about those other 4 games. They played Clemson within 1 point.
What does that tell you about evaluating teams based on how closely they played a good team?
Jesus Christ, you're an idiot. And you still haven't justified Bama being lower than #5.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:24 pm to TchPowDog
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Jesus Christ, you're an idiot.
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And you still haven't justified Bama being lower than #5.
And you still haven't justified Bama being higher than #6. Well, you've tried. But haven't given a clear rationale that can't be refuted.
It would certainly be easier for you if you could point to a top-10 (or even top-25) team that Bama has beaten. You know, like Minnesota has done.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:37 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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It could all be fixed by requiring a team to win its conference to get in.
i get the idea of this, but conferences are not created equal. It works in the NFL because of supposed parity via the draft and salary cap. Plus, scheduling is a lot more diverse.
In college, you can go a a couple of seasons without a Pac 12 team playing an SEC team. Which means, you'll never know if those two conferences are representing the same quality of football.
for instance, i think its pretty fair to say that LSU, Bama, and UGA (maybe even UF) would all win the Pac 12 this year.
with that said, you would be punishing 3 of those teams just because they play in the SEC and rewarding say Oregon/Utah just because they play in the Pac 12.
The only way that would make sense is to put another level of criteria on the Conf Champs, like, they have to be ranked in the top 16 or something like that.
ETA - or you need to force teams to schedule more P5 opponents every year to get more of a gauge on quality of play throughout then entire nation.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:41 pm to SportTiger1
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ETA - or you need to force teams to schedule more P5 opponents every year to get more of a gauge on quality of play throughout then entire nation.
This is exactly what I'd do. No more scheduling FCS teams, for starters.
You play FBS football. Play FBS teams.
More P5 vs. P5 would obviously be good too.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:42 pm to UGATiger26
You do realize that it's not just the eye test. It's also body of work. That's the argument you're trying to defeat and you're doing an awful job of it if you think you're scoring a point with UNC losing to Clemson by 1.
If you think Bama's body of work doesn't put them in the top 4, fine, but damn is it really worth looking like an idiot to attempt to prove it?
If you think Bama's body of work doesn't put them in the top 4, fine, but damn is it really worth looking like an idiot to attempt to prove it?
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