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re: The big question in all this
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Does anybody have any solid reasoning as to why this is one or the other?
yea, the reasoning is the fans. back in the day, we were happy with a win (chollie mac days). sure we were disappointed with a loss (always to bama) but we still bought tickets, tailgated all day and had a great time. we did not "help mac pac" until he had been there about 15 years. there was no social media and all out news was from the advocate and the tiger rag. the football program made money but tickets were cheap, there was no TAF and we only got on TV once or twice a year.
in the last 15 years we have won 4 SEC titles and 2 0f 3 NC's. LSU football is a money machine. the fans expect teams to compete for the SEC pretty much every year. this means any AD or adm going cheap like the old days is making a HUGE mistake.
going mediocre and greatly lowed expectations with little hope to win the SEC in any year and this fanbase is gonna shrink; TAF donations are gonna shrink and the new 100k stadium will be half empty. there is no way we accept that.
the bottom line is that as long as the stadium sells out and donations keep up there will be no universal rebellion.
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm honesty fearful of a return to the Joe Dean way of running our football program under FKA.
You and me both, brother.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:59 am to Choupique19
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All reports are he hadn't turned us down, but the plug was pulled by politicians (I'm including F King Buttmunch in the politicians crowd) on the LSU side.
BINGO!
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:05 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Ok that's fine. The question then is this: Did LSU do all they could and Jimbo just said no, or did Jimbo say "give me a raise to 7 mill and i'll come" and FKA balked at spending the money?
If it's A, then ok. I get it. If it's B, that's a huge problem and a major red flag of things to come.
I think there's another possibility you haven't considered.
That would be this:
FKA didn't balk at the money in and of itself. He balked at the timing and perception coming on the heels of the financial panic.
If we go through this again, say next year or in 2017, after LSU has secured adequate funding from the state and Alexander isn't having to beg and plead like he did with Jindal (a huge Miles supporter, btw) then maybe things go very differently. Because the money for coaches and athletics doesn't come from the state so the money in and of itself wasn't the issue. The money is there. What isn't there right now is the urgent need to fire Miles and right isn't the ideal timing given what I mentioned above.
There's no reason to believe Joe Alleva has suddenly turned into Joe Dean from a dollars and cents perspective. Other than you just want to believe that.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:09 am to LSU GrandDad
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the bottom line is that as long as the stadium sells out and donations keep up there will be no universal rebellion.
Correct.
The current state is highly restless but it's not bad enough yet that the administration feels like it *must* fire Miles.
Half the board was split on firing Miles.
I doubt the board was worried about financial perception like Alexander. More likely the board members who didn't want to fire Miles just didn't feel like it had gotten the point (yet) where Miles needed to be fired.
If the board was unified in wanting Miles fired, things might have turned out differently. Clearly they aren't there yet.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:19 am to Draconian Sanctions
It was A. Jimbos personal life was part of the difficulty for him. Simply legal complications in his divorce and custody. Money was only one part. I think if this negotiation was happening a year from now. The outcome may be different. We may have had the right man but the wrong time
Posted on 12/4/15 at 4:11 pm to BrerTiger
I don't want to believe nor do I think Alleva is now Joe Dean. I fear that FKA is, or worse that he's simply hostile to the program. I hope that's not true either.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 12/4/15 at 4:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I fear that FKA is, or worse that he's simply hostile to the program.
Negative.
I think the timing *right now* was bad.
In another year or two, that won't be the case.
Alleva also made plenty of public statements earlier *this year* about how bad the financial situation was at LSU and how he was more concerned about the faculty than he was about the starting QB at LSU.
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"Most of these people at this tour stop today are going to be worried about who our quarterback is going to be next year,” Alleva said Thursday at the L’Auberge Casino, where the Tiger Tour was making its Baton Rouge stop. "I’m not worried about who our quarterback is going to be. I’m worried about who our professors are going to be.”
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If he's not having to make such statements next year, then he and Alexander won't have to feel like hypocrites if they have to pull the trigger on Miles.
Also, if Miles loses 5 or 6 games as opposed to 3 games then that creates a lot more urgency to act.
I think, in the end, the urgency to act this year wasn't there and the timing was far from ideal (it never is ideal but it was especially poor this year).
One year from now could be a very different situation.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 12/4/15 at 4:23 pm to BrerTiger
I hope you're right.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 4:39 pm to JAComo
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Why can't people understand this? They didn't want to fire Miles as much as they wanted to replace him. Sounds the same, but in actuality if they could not get their guy, Miles was to stay. We can all agree that there are better coaches out there. They tried...couldn't get them...so they kept Miles.
That just isn't true unless you're privy to information that has eluded the rest of us.
Everything I've read and heard indicated that they in fact had Jimbo, and that OUR SIDE backed out only when FKA vetoed it.
That's why many of us are pissed off about it. Being unable to get the coach they wanted is very different from having him in the bag and having to back out at the 11th hour.
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