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re: The big question in all this
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:02 am to Choctaw
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:02 am to Choctaw
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They went after Jimbo but didn't feel getting him was a necessity because we still have Miles so they didn't push for him and wasn't about to overpay for him
If that's what happened that's a *little* better, although I question the sanity of taking the whole thing public if that was the case
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Thats a pretty shitty thing to do to Miles IMO
No argument here. If I were Miles I would have taken the Va Tech job or something.
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:03 am to Choctaw
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They went after Jimbo but didn't feel getting him was a necessity because we still have Miles so they didn't push for him and wasn't about to overpay for him. If we were coming off a 3 win season than im sure the decision would've been a lot easier.
I think you are right, Choctaw. FKA is responsible for the integrity of the entire Educational Institution that is LSU and throwing the kind of money around that it was evidently going to take to acquire Jimbo was not something he felt good about in firing a coach that was going to possibly finish 8-3. Like you say, if we were talking about a 3-8 season, it is a lot better perspective from his side. Bottom line is, we have what we have and I just hope that it has all been strong enough to penetrate his thick skull and cause him to recognize his shortcomings on offense.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:11 am to Walking the Earth
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Call me when the money dries up and we stop investing in our facilities.
Ring-a-ding-ding
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LSU Delays Construction on Athletic Nutrition Center
Published: March 03, 2015, 04:18 PM (CT)
by Michael Bonnette (@LSUBonnette), Sr. Assoc. Athletic Director/SID
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BATON ROUGE – LSU Vice Chancellor and Director of Athletics Joe Alleva announced that the athletic department is going to delay breaking ground on the new Tiger Athletic Nutrition Center, which was slated for later this spring.
The following is a statement from Alleva:
“Due to proposed state budget cuts to higher education that would significantly impact LSU, the athletic department has decided to delay breaking ground on our new Tiger Athletic Nutrition Center, which was scheduled for later this spring.
“Though all of the money has been raised, through private donations, to complete the project, we feel that the current climate of austerity surrounding our university compels us to move in a more deliberate manner.
“The Tiger Athletic Nutrition Center is essential for the well-being of our student-athletes as we continue to provide all of the necessary resources in order for them to perform at the highest level, both in the classroom and in competition.
“The Tiger Athletic Nutrition Center will become a reality, but we will wait until we can gauge how the budget cuts will affect LSU before starting the project.”
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:19 am to Choupique19
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Call me when the money dries up and we stop investing in our facilities.
Ring-a-ding-ding
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:22 am to Choupique19
OK, that's not good but still a long way from bringing us back to the 90's.
And that was back in March. I'm sure I missed all the handwringing about the end of the program at the time.
And that was back in March. I'm sure I missed all the handwringing about the end of the program at the time.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:24 am to Walking the Earth
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:25 am to Draconian Sanctions
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or did Jimbo say "give me a raise to 7 mill and i'll come" and FKA balked at spending the money?
If that's the case, and an example of things to come, LSU better find the best up and comer they can. Roll the dice and get a Tom Herman type.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:29 am to Walking the Earth
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Call me when the money dries up and we stop investing in our facilities.
B-I-N-G-O
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:41 am to Walking the Earth
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Oops, I just did some Googling of my own and as of June, the project was back on track.
Good find, I admit that I did not know it was back on track.
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After brief delay in the start of construction, LSU is set to break ground on the Tiger Athletic Nutrition Center as early as Spring 2016.
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Points deducted from Chop for being disingenuous solely to win an Internet debate.
Garbage time points that I can afford to lose because I'm so far ahead.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 9:42 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:43 am to Walking the Earth
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:56 am to Choctaw
They went after Jimbo....they didn't get him so we kept the winningest coach in LSU history.
We had Jimbo. It was LSU that screwed things up. We will regret not making the change.
We had Jimbo. It was LSU that screwed things up. We will regret not making the change.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:02 am to Draconian Sanctions
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If this was a one time FUBAR screw up, yeah it's embarrassing, but it's not the end of the world and will eventually be forgotten. My concern is that this signals a shift in power at LSU that is going to return us to the Joe Dean mentality of "let's not try to be the best we can be, let's not spend the going rate to get the best coaches we can get."
I'm more concerned that that it's now confirmed the leadership is horrible and there are many chefs in the kitchen. Blame Alleva as much as you want but he tried to make the move and got shut down, almost like any business working a deal for a new project/client only to get shut down on your end because your boss decided the price point before negotiations began. Complete cluster frick.
Miles has been severely damaged and it would be pretty simple for Arkansas, A&M, Bama, Ole Miss to say don't come to LSU because Miles is on the way out.
Still, I think the worst case would have been to fire him because it's gone this far with no replacement.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:06 am to Choctaw
Who believes that Jimbo would have won a National Championship if he was in the SEC West? Just remember the heart attacks FSU has caused with their last minute victories. We have enough of that with Les. My only problem with this whole deal is that we'll keep Cameron-he's got to go. I don't have a preference as to who the OC should be.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:09 am to oldtigerman
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My only problem with this whole deal is that we'll keep Cameron-he's got to go. I don't have a preference as to who the OC should be.
Blaming Cameron for the offense is like blaming Alleva for not getting Jimbo.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:10 am to JAComo
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Why can't people understand this? They didn't want to fire Miles as much as they wanted to replace him. Sounds the same, but in actuality if they could not get their guy, Miles was to stay. We can all agree that there are better coaches out there. They tried...couldn't get them...so they kept Miles. I could have done without all the media BS that inevitably came with it, but I like the strategy.
Agreed. What I can't understand is why bring this back up now while the coaches are recruiting and potentially undermine their message? F. King Alexander needs to do one more thing and that's stop talking to the media since a decision has been made. All they are doing now is making it hard to recruit. Miles and co. are trying to answer the concerns of parents and prospects, and meanwhile, in Baton Rouge they're just creating more questions.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:12 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Ok that's fine. The question then is this: Did LSU do all they could and Jimbo just said no, or did Jimbo say "give me a raise to 7 mill and i'll come" and FKA balked at spending the money?
If it's A, then ok. I get it. If it's B, that's a huge problem and a major red flag of things to c
I thought the real answer had been established.
Jimbo was ready to come, but FKing used politics to torpedo the deal.
Which is probably the worst case scenario.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:34 am to Draconian Sanctions
This board is full of children who are completely overreacting.
LSU was not in a position this season where they HAD to make a head coaching change. I'm not the biggest Miles supporter in the world, but I'm rational enough to realize that things aren't as bad many here are making them out to be. Had the McNesse game not been canceled, LSU would have finished tied for the 3rd best record in the 14 team SEC. Did I hope they could do better than that? Of course. But it's not like they finished the damn season 3-9!
Still, LSU tried to get a new proven HC whom they hoped would push the program over the top. I applaud them for doing so. They couldn't land him though, and the BOTTOM LINE is that if Fisher wanted to be here HE WOULD BE HERE. It was his decision to make and his decision ONLY. You can't tell me that LSU did not make him a very fair and lucrative offer. He tried to negotiate for the moon (as is his right to do), but at some point in any negotiations you reach your drop dead number and stick with it. LSU did that. So for $6 million Fisher can't be the coach? But for $7 million he's all in? Give me a break.
I think the President of the university is completely over-exaggerating LSU's financial struggles. That said, LSU is not a football program with a school on the side. It's a university with a football program. The President's job is to do what he thinks is best for the University as a whole.
Now if Miles leaves and/or is dismissed and LSU only wants to spend less than the other members of the SEC to hire a new coach, then I'll question the direction of the AD. Until then, I'm not going to sit here an say that LSU was "cheap" because they ONLY wanted to spend $20 million (on paper) to make a coaching change that may have been wanted, but certainly wasn't an absolute necessity.
LSU was not in a position this season where they HAD to make a head coaching change. I'm not the biggest Miles supporter in the world, but I'm rational enough to realize that things aren't as bad many here are making them out to be. Had the McNesse game not been canceled, LSU would have finished tied for the 3rd best record in the 14 team SEC. Did I hope they could do better than that? Of course. But it's not like they finished the damn season 3-9!
Still, LSU tried to get a new proven HC whom they hoped would push the program over the top. I applaud them for doing so. They couldn't land him though, and the BOTTOM LINE is that if Fisher wanted to be here HE WOULD BE HERE. It was his decision to make and his decision ONLY. You can't tell me that LSU did not make him a very fair and lucrative offer. He tried to negotiate for the moon (as is his right to do), but at some point in any negotiations you reach your drop dead number and stick with it. LSU did that. So for $6 million Fisher can't be the coach? But for $7 million he's all in? Give me a break.
I think the President of the university is completely over-exaggerating LSU's financial struggles. That said, LSU is not a football program with a school on the side. It's a university with a football program. The President's job is to do what he thinks is best for the University as a whole.
Now if Miles leaves and/or is dismissed and LSU only wants to spend less than the other members of the SEC to hire a new coach, then I'll question the direction of the AD. Until then, I'm not going to sit here an say that LSU was "cheap" because they ONLY wanted to spend $20 million (on paper) to make a coaching change that may have been wanted, but certainly wasn't an absolute necessity.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:39 am to Alt26
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Still, LSU tried to get a new proven HC whom they hoped would push the program over the top. I applaud them for doing so. They couldn't land him though, and the BOTTOM LINE is that if Fisher wanted to be here HE WOULD BE HERE. It was his decision to make and his decision ONLY. You can't tell me that LSU did not make him a very fair and lucrative offer. He tried to negotiate for the moon (as is his right to do), but at some point in any negotiations you reach your drop dead number and stick with it. LSU did that. So for $6 million Fisher can't be the coach? But for $7 million he's all in? Give me a break.
Where are you getting this information from? When did Fisher ask for $7 million? If Jimbo wanted to be here, but his agent asked for too much, then Sexton would be fired. The Jimbo contract angle is what I'm still trying to figure out. Did he keep asking for more? Did he want to be here?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
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did Jimbo say "give me a raise to 7 mill and i'll come" and FKA balked at spending the money?
Everything is starting to point toward this scenario, which does not bode well for the immediate future of LSU athletics.
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