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re: Stealing third with no outs.

Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:32 pm to
Posted by LSU FAMILY
HOUMA
Member since Oct 2005
688 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:32 pm to
You steal 3rd on the pitcher...not the catcher. Some pitchers have a habbit of one look to 2nd then turn toward home with a pause before going home. The runner can pick up on this and get a slip step going to give him a big jump.
And you get a split second advantage if there is a right rand batter at the plate. He can stand his ground and the catcher has to make a step to the left to throw behind the batter. Catcher does not get his entire body into the throw.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84752 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:41 pm to
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I don't think Dee Gordon has any eligibility left.




I'm just using elite MLB runners. Guys like Deichmann are comparable on the collegiate level when you account for generally less talented pitchers/catchers in college as well.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 9:57 pm to
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Additionally, the expected run value in MLB and the general success rate on stealing 3rd base


sorry, there is no way in hell stealing third is successful 72% of the time. in college for sure. that's unmitigated bull shite.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84752 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 10:42 pm to
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sorry, there is no way in hell stealing third is successful 72% of the time. in college for sure. that's unmitigated bull shite.


I'll look for collegiate numbers but they're incredibly difficult to find.

70.85% for the 2009 season in MLB

Baseball Prospectus article says 72% success rate in MLB from 1998-2002

Unmitigated bull shite huh?

ETA: In 2009, the success rate for stealing third with 2 outs was actually 88.5%. Stealing third with two outs is one of the most against the grain moves you an make in baseball, but given the expected run values in the 2009 season and the success rate, it actually produced approximately .01 more runs.

You can argue all you'd like about whether or not you like it, but the facts are that it was/is the right decision if you can be that successful.

ETA.2: You may feel as though that is a statistically insignificant benefit, and you may be right, but to act like it is some sort of steadfast, you should never, ever, ever do it rules is absurd.
This post was edited on 2/21/16 at 11:06 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71347 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 10:44 pm to
I'm not a fan of it, but I would rather CPM err on the aggressive side.
Posted by GEAUXLA16
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2014
152 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 12:03 am to
I'm much more concerned with the early errors on routine defensive plays (4 errors in three games) and placement hitting, than getting caught stealing third (which happened twice)...
Posted by tiger nutz
Madison
Member since Oct 2005
910 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 7:37 am to
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Basic baseball 101 don't make the first or last out at third.


Corrected that for you! This rule only applies for 3rd base. I agree you never make the 1st out at home but you need to always be aggressive with 2 outs in sending runners to the plate. You really don't want to make the 2nd out at the plate either but as a 3rd base coach you need to be more aggressive sending runners to the plate as the number of outs increase.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42395 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:02 am to
Has to be player's with latitude there.
No reason for it especially early in a game like the one Fri night
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