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Stealing... How effective?
Posted on 3/8/16 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 6:51 pm
How effective is stealing at this level?
How often does it generate a run that wouldn't have been scored without it? If a guy steals second but the next two batters hit doubles then it was essentially an unnecessary risk?
How often does it generate a run that wouldn't have been scored without it? If a guy steals second but the next two batters hit doubles then it was essentially an unnecessary risk?
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Posted on 3/8/16 at 6:57 pm to SlapahoeTribe
some teams live and die by it.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:00 pm to SlapahoeTribe
Often times they will steal second with 2 outs so if he makes it, a base hit scores a run and if he gets caught, oh well you already had 2 outs. That's one of the main times the reward > risk. Other times they may steal if they have the pitcher timed or just to keep the other team honest.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:02 pm to Merica
Saber metrics say don't steal
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:05 pm to chipdouglas96
It's all about the situation imo. Maybe overall you lose in the percentages but there is certainly a time and place for it
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:06 pm to SlapahoeTribe
Exactly as effective as it is at every other level of baseball. It moves you 90 feet closer to scoring, which is never not a good thing.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:10 pm to chipdouglas96
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Saber metrics say don't steal
Saber metrics can suck my balls
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:10 pm to Merica
Over the course of a long season, the outs you give up negatively affects your ability to score runs
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:11 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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How often does it generate a run that wouldn't have been scored without it? If a guy steals second but the next two batters hit doubles then it was essentially an unnecessary risk?
What if the next guy hits a ground ball to the SS?
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Yeah don't let statistics get in the way of a good insult. Your probably a chop wood/ squash the bug type of baseball guy also
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:18 pm to chipdouglas96
What if a base runner steals 43 of 47 bases? Is it good then?
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:20 pm to ell_13
We should bunt here because frick metrics
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:23 pm to ell_13
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What if a base runner steals 43 of 47 bases? Is it good then?
This cuts to the heart of my question. On the face of it someone who steals that well seems like a good thing, but what if only 3 of those actually resulted in a run that wouldn't have been otherwise? Then you've got 3 runs to 4 outs. Is that worth it?
I'm genuinely curious here. Wasn't trying to dig at the team's choice to steal earlier.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:24 pm to SlapahoeTribe
It resulted in a record breaking run scoring season...
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:39 pm to SlapahoeTribe
It's necessary at the right time. Like people have said in this thread, but I will expand on it. With two outs, runner on first most will attempt to take a bag. But I think you only do it with your 3-5 guys up. Somebody that can really drive the ball. And another thing, if you get caught stealing with 2 outs with your 3-5 up, you still have those guys up to start the next inning.
Obviously, you wanna take 2nd with guys on 1st and 3rd.
Also, keep in mind that some really fast guys are terrible base runners. Get bad jumps, take bad angles, don't know how to read balls, get picked off, etc. And some average speed guys can do all that well and it shows when they're swiping more bags and scoring more runs.
Obviously, you wanna take 2nd with guys on 1st and 3rd.
Also, keep in mind that some really fast guys are terrible base runners. Get bad jumps, take bad angles, don't know how to read balls, get picked off, etc. And some average speed guys can do all that well and it shows when they're swiping more bags and scoring more runs.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:46 pm to SlapahoeTribe
Effectiveness depends on the player stealing.
Wish I could remember the kids name from Vanderbilt the last few years.
If he got on base seems like he had stolen third in a few pitches.
Wish I could remember the kids name from Vanderbilt the last few years.
If he got on base seems like he had stolen third in a few pitches.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:46 pm to ell_13
Then that guy is a good base runner, what's the overall percentage for the team
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:48 pm to chipdouglas96
Exactly. Why does saber metrics say that guy shouldn't steal?
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:50 pm to chipdouglas96
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Yeah don't let statistics get in the way of a good insult.
You haven't provided any statistics
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:57 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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This cuts to the heart of my question. On the face of it someone who steals that well seems like a good thing, but what if only 3 of those actually resulted in a run that wouldn't have been otherwise? Then you've got 3 runs to 4 outs. Is that worth it?
If a guy reaches 2B 44 times and only scores 3 of those times you've got bigger problems than the 4 outs it cost you. And if 43 successful steals only bet you 3 runs then it's safe to say that those 4 outs didn't cost you any runs.
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