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Stats on Wisconsin loading the box vs Fournette
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:24 pm
As per Ross Dellenger via Twitter
Extended #LSU Film Room, re UW men in box vs. Fournette:
- Carries: 23
- Avg UW defenders in box: 8.08
- Carries w/8 or more in box: 19
Extended #LSU Film Room, re UW men in box vs. Fournette:
- Carries: 23
- Avg UW defenders in box: 8.08
- Carries w/8 or more in box: 19
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:26 pm to CaliTigerForLife
quote:
- Carries: 23
- Avg UW defenders in box: 8.08
- Carries w/8 or more in box: 19
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:26 pm to CaliTigerForLife
Thanks. I will forward this to Miles immediately.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:31 pm to CaliTigerForLife
The strategy was to confuse those 8 by only blocking 3 on any given play!!!
3-D Chess!!!
3-D Chess!!!
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:35 pm to CaliTigerForLife
quote:
- Carries: 23
- Avg UW defenders in box: 8.08
- Carries w/8 or more in box: 19
Everyone thinks this stat is so atrocious but it is completely overblown. If we're lining up with 2 or fewer WRs, it dictates that we Wisconsin will go big with their defense too. The only way you get guys out of the box is to pull offensive bodies out of the box too. You want to run against 6-7 man fronts, then you've got to go 4-wide and run out of the spread.
I guess the point is that the amount of people in the box isn't an issue on its own if you've got enough offensive players in the box to block them. People freak out about 8 in the box, but the concern should really only be about a front that has more defenders than we have blockers.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:50 pm to CaliTigerForLife
Good thing we can audible out of the play.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:53 pm to slackster
quote:
Everyone thinks this stat is so atrocious but it is completely overblown. If we're lining up with 2 or fewer WRs, it dictates that we Wisconsin will go big with their defense too. The only way you get guys out of the box is to pull offensive bodies out of the box too. You want to run against 6-7 man fronts, then you've got to go 4-wide and run out of the spread.
Ummmmm exactly. Get the defenders farther away from the line and LF before the play starts. More room to operate
ETA: And you are also more likely running against more DBs than LBs when you spread them out.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:57 pm to etm512
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mmmmm exactly. Get the defenders farther away from the line and LF before the play starts. More room to operate
this is correct. With more players in the box, it's just a jumble of humanity in the middle of the line where we run. It's all clogged up, even with decent blocking.
Spread the field, create space, keep the defense guessing, and let our playmakers make plays in space. Shocking.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:02 pm to slackster
quote:
If we're lining up with 2 or fewer WRs, it dictates that we Wisconsin will go big with their defense too. The only way you get guys out of the box is to pull offensive bodies out of the box too.
Uh........no shite Sherlock...............exactly.
quote:Me thinks you need to learn why it is that basically every other team in the nation knows you're wrong.
I guess the point is that the amount of people in the box isn't an issue on its own if you've got enough offensive players in the box to block them
Traffic matters too. Haven't you ever heard of the concept of getting your playmakers in space?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:02 pm to etm512
quote:Shhh.........he thinks he was on to something.
ETA: And you are also more likely running against more DBs than LBs when you spread them out.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:06 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
quote: If we're lining up with 2 or fewer WRs, it dictates that we Wisconsin will go big with their defense too. The only way you get guys out of the box is to pull offensive bodies out of the box too. Uh........no shite Sherlock...............exactly. quote: I guess the point is that the amount of people in the box isn't an issue on its own if you've got enough offensive players in the box to block them Me thinks you need to learn why it is that basically every other team in the nation knows you're wrong. Traffic matters too. Haven't you ever heard of the concept of getting your playmakers in space?
holeeee fackballs
this is shite we have known for years and years. i've been saying run from the gun and pass from the gun to keep them honest. spread them out and open up lanes. let them stay in nickel defenses or even dime at times. it helps us.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:07 pm to ShortyRob
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quote:
ETA: And you are also more likely running against more DBs than LBs when you spread them out.
Shhh.........he thinks he was on to something.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:09 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:Can you imagine an alternative universe where half of LF's carries come against a dime package!!
ETA: And you are also more likely running against more DBs than LBs when you spread them out. Shhh.........he thinks he was on to something.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:11 pm to CaliTigerForLife
Ross Dellenger is he qualified to make that statement?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:15 pm to ecb
Why is everyone acting like this is common knowledge. Hell, even our coaches don't know about this!
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:42 pm to ecb
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Ross Dellenger is he qualified to make that statement?
Can't say for sure that he's an expert, but every week he does extensive film study to issue reports on each position after every game for grading purposes. Take it with a grain of salt, but I sure don't have the time or the want to do film study of every game. It's part of his job, so I'll take what I can get.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:49 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Me thinks you need to learn why it is that basically every other team in the nation knows you're wrong. Traffic matters too. Haven't you ever heard of the concept of getting your playmakers in space?
I understand how it works. It is all a numbers game.
For those of you who are interested in those runs without 8 or more in the box:
6 in the box, shotgun formation - 1 yard gain
7 in the box, shotgun formation - 3 yard gain
7? in the box, I formation - 6 yard gain
7 in the box, shotgun formation - 15 yard gain
Dellenger may have been strict with his definition of "in the box" because I can't seem to find any other legitimate plays with less than 8.
This isn't really an indictment or support of the "heavy" formations. Many of Fournette's longest runs in this game and last season were the result of him breaking containment with so many in the box. If you spread it out, you might get more per play but you likely cut down on the big play too.
Again, I'm not coming out in support of the strategy. I'm simply saying that the numbers in the box aren't the end all, be all, if you've got the guys there to block them.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:50 pm to slackster
quote:Hmm. I think we have someone on this board who would like to discuss "yards per play" with you.
If you spread it out, you might get more per play but you likely cut down on the big play too.
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