re: Soooooooo what do the Coach O haters have to say this week?

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9-3 in a down SEC is incredible? Get the frick out.

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No, it's really not. That's called looking at the whole picture. It's possible to be ecstatic about beating Auburn while recognizing that UF is garbage, this team hasn't strung together consistent performances this year and they have two terrible losses.

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Also, while the Auburn game was the most fun I've had in Tiger Stadium in a while, the fact that LSU was good enough to beat Auburn 27-3 in a 40 minute stretch is pretty strong evidence that LSU played really, really poorly in the first 20 minutes. I'm glad they were able to correct things 2/3 of the way through the game, but I'd really prefer us to just play pretty well for whole games.

The following is what I said last Friday to a similar post. My reasoning is still applicable. If we pretend everything is ok and O does nothing to repair the relationship with Canada (and probably Aranda), they are gone at the end of the year and LSU probably has a 4-win season next year. I thoroughly enjoyed the win against Auburn. However, that doesn't mean I'm willing to ignore the obvious coaching problem and simply hope LSU will become an elite team again while paying O $3.5M a year not to coach.

"We may go 8-4 this year with inconsistent play and will probably lose by 2 TDs to Auburn and 4 TDs to Bama. We'd have to run the table on the rest of the teams on the schedule, which will be difficult to do. We could also upset Auburn tomorrow but because of the inconsistency that comes from a poorly-coached team, we'd probably drop a game to one of Ole Miss, Tennessee, or A&M.

Canada and possibly Aranda will be gone next year. We've seen this pattern before with Archer and Dinardo (Hallman was just terrible throughout). There is less than a 1% chance of LSU winning the SEC this year. The best thing O can do to increase the chances of that happening is to get out of the way of his coordinators and stop throwing people under the bus.

If the football program were my business and my goal was to field a championship-caliber team, Alleva would have been fired after the loss to Troy. My reason for that is I would have already been seriously questioning his judgment in hiring O in the first place given O's track record and the fact that other programs view more than a hundred coaches as a better candidate.

At this point, most high-performing people in Aranda's and Canada's position would have lost respect for O and would be resenting how they are being treated. They would rightly be concerned that he is threatening their future and wondering if their current compensation was worth that risk and worth enduring the current unpleasant work environment.

We who see that are not 'fair weather fans' who are 'miserable' with ourselves. Many of us are rational observers who understand the natural consequences of making poor decisions."

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ok yes we did lose to them but he has bounced back with 2 big wins

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I wasn't going to comment in this thread, but this reply got me.

I'm not a big O fan. Don't think he's a good head coach. Honest opinion, would have preferred Miles if O was the only choice. However, that's all done and over with.

I will always support the team, I did through a lot of bad seasons (by that I mean losing ones, not 8-4 seasons).

Back to what you said:
ok yes we did lose to them but he has bounced back with 2 big wins


Uh, no. Don't want that attitude coming back here to LSU. That's the Curly Hallman underdog mentality...

If you treat the Auburn and Florida games as "big wins", then Les Miles had TONS of them, and should have statues and a shrine here now.

Beating Auburn and Florida should not be "2 big wins". That should be business as usual, as our program is not below either of theirs. A "big win" should be Alabama, SEC championship game, bowl match-up against a good team, etc.

Miles hadn't had a "big win" in awhile, and that cost him his job. Now keep in mind he had wins over Florida, Auburn, a long streak over A&M, etc.

Regardless of the coach, I'm not in favor of stepping down expectations here. And winning games vs teams we expect to be competitive with and able to beat, doesn't make up for 2 horrible losses vs tems we should crush. This merely shows that all the excuses made for those losses were bullshite.

I have 3 takeaways from this game.

1. After Troy and MSU, I never thought O could right the ship. There have been serious, tangible improvements made since week 3. Kudos to the staff and team for pushing through!

2. I don't think Miles would've won that game with this team.

3. What happens when we have subpar coordinators? I know that's probably a prominent fear with O, but if his "strong suit" is letting his coordinators coach, then it's a legit concern.

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Against the hire. Not a hater.

If asked I'd say, "He's one third of the way to making up for losing to Troy and being blown out by a shitty State team. The next two thirds would be beating Alabama and beating the rest of the teams on our schedule, including the SEC championship.

If he does that he could lose the bowl game and I'd still consider it a good (not great) season. If he loses to Bama he'd have to win out at 10-3 for me to consider it a decent (not good) season.

Soooooo, still feel all gloaty?

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This is a learning season for him so if he goes 9-3, that would be incredible.

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This is a big reason why the "haters" continue to be critical (they are realists purely, mostly and are looking at things from a logical perspective over the emotional one).

This would be the expectation, not "incredible," keeping the boat steady as only part of the promise of the O hire, remember, 9-3 seasons on average is large reason why we fired Miles. The goal is to compete for championships, which is something we probably can't do with 3 losses. And if O continues the pattern of losing to inferior opponents, if politics continue to be a problem re: the meeting, then there is no chance O ever competed for one.

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This is a learning season for him....

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This is not helping your narrative...

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LSU shouldn't be in the business of hiring coaches that are still learning basic coaching skills.

Plus we were assured by the sycophants that everything that had to be learned had been learned.

He made mistakes throughout the OM debacle and he's made mistakes this year. The thing about people is, they're predictable. Nothing we've seen thus far from Orgeron this year is surprising.

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Soooooooo what do the Coach O haters have to say this week?

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that he was the wrong hire.