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re: Some rational thought for the irrational.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:43 am to stephendomalley
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:43 am to stephendomalley
I don't know one single person that believes this.. .not one. You kids are unbelievable.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:45 am to Damone
Sup mane
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:46 am to dos crystal
The justification for Ogeron's hiring was LSU "needed a refresh, not a rebuild." The thought was that the coaching staff by and large was solid (except the OC) and the recruting was solid. The only change necessary was the stubborn man at the top who refused to make the purportedly minor tweaks necessary to bring LSU from a "good" program to a "championship" program.
Now none of that is true and we are in a "rebuild"? If a rebuild was needed you don't keep most of the staff that sunk the ship. You bring in a whole new group.
I sorry. But Canada wasn't brought it to slowly implement an effective offense. And Dupree is FAR from the "missing link" to making this group successful. In one year at Pitt (with a 5th year sr. transfer QB and all conf. RB) Canada took them from 70+ in total offense the year before to 39. He took their scoring offense from 61 to 10. The same change for LSU was EXPECTED when he was hired.
I agree with the other posters. The goalpost keep moving to judge Ogeron's success and ability. At first he was only going to be seriously considered for the HC job if he beat Bama. Then he was still in consideration even after he lost to UF. The he was hired on the premise that he was going to do what Miles wouldn't, change the offense enough to complement LSU's generally good defense. Now he needs at least 3 YEARS to make his mark because a team made up of players he and most of his staff recruited now "lack talent"?
So the plan is to let the guys who failed to sign enough talent in the first place be responsible for bringing in the "new" talent needed?
Now none of that is true and we are in a "rebuild"? If a rebuild was needed you don't keep most of the staff that sunk the ship. You bring in a whole new group.
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A new offensive scheme takes time to learn and execute. Losing Dupree, who didn't make a team, and May T/D. Campbell, really hurt the offense as well.
I sorry. But Canada wasn't brought it to slowly implement an effective offense. And Dupree is FAR from the "missing link" to making this group successful. In one year at Pitt (with a 5th year sr. transfer QB and all conf. RB) Canada took them from 70+ in total offense the year before to 39. He took their scoring offense from 61 to 10. The same change for LSU was EXPECTED when he was hired.
I agree with the other posters. The goalpost keep moving to judge Ogeron's success and ability. At first he was only going to be seriously considered for the HC job if he beat Bama. Then he was still in consideration even after he lost to UF. The he was hired on the premise that he was going to do what Miles wouldn't, change the offense enough to complement LSU's generally good defense. Now he needs at least 3 YEARS to make his mark because a team made up of players he and most of his staff recruited now "lack talent"?
So the plan is to let the guys who failed to sign enough talent in the first place be responsible for bringing in the "new" talent needed?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:50 am to dos crystal
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Do not pander or play to the fanatics
That's all he's done. From his opening press conference as interim head coach he has said whatever Ponamsky told him the fan base wanted to hear.
"you want us to keep a pro style offense? Me too."
"you want us to kick the ball out of the endzone? Me too."
"you want us to try and score every time and not sit on a lead? Me too."
"Oh wait, we lost to Bama, you want a mobile quarterback like Ole Miss and Clemson? Change the offense to a spread attack to neutralize Bama's big men? Me too."
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:52 am to Dawgfan128
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Here are the only facts I know. O at LSU is 8-3. He is above .500 in the sec. Was a bad loss, but the reality is we suck in the trenches...and have been hit hard with injury and suspension bug. I have enough emotional intelligence to realize we win the next two, and hopefully get some of these people back for the sec stretch. Also, hopefully key gets in better shape over the next few weeks...no excuse for that. Those are all the facts that I know. I'm sorry I'm not crying abour O in every thread like a little bitch like you.
Very good post. You can't argue or have a rational discussion with immature/irrational people. They will spew the hate because it's all they know.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:01 am to dos crystal
I think we need to let the season play out and then judge the coaches on those results. This team has to improve. Anybody who thought this team was competing for the SEC or a playoff spot was wearing Purple and Gold glasses. You rarely see a team fire a winning coach and the team not struggle to gain a new identity.
Nobody likes what happened on Sat. We flat out got dominated by Moo St. Games go through funny flows sometimes and that game just got away from us. It was on the coaches, players, and even the Refs for that horrible Off PI call. Even though it didn't cost us the game, it didn't help.
Am I sold on CEO, not even close. I would have liked a more established coach. But, that's not what we got.
We play 2 winnable games that should give us a chance to correct A TON of Mistakes. Let's see what they learned from this defeat. Let's see if they become a better team because of this defeat.
Nobody likes what happened on Sat. We flat out got dominated by Moo St. Games go through funny flows sometimes and that game just got away from us. It was on the coaches, players, and even the Refs for that horrible Off PI call. Even though it didn't cost us the game, it didn't help.
Am I sold on CEO, not even close. I would have liked a more established coach. But, that's not what we got.
We play 2 winnable games that should give us a chance to correct A TON of Mistakes. Let's see what they learned from this defeat. Let's see if they become a better team because of this defeat.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:10 am to dos crystal
No this does reflect the continual decline in the program. From the hiring of Coach O to the holes in recruiting. The disciplinary issues are another sign of poor leadership at the highest levels. Ed couldn't coach at Ole Miss, and he can't run a bigger program at LSU. The fact that he is coach is an embarrassment to our program. We have good assistant coaches but even they are handicapped. Ok, we may win 7 games this year, but is that our goal? We in no way shape or form will beat Alabama, Auburn or Florida. That's four losses, and it aint getting better next year. Basically, we are an average SEC school now. Congrats Alleva and King. Even Les Miles is laughing at us and he likely has dementia. What a freaking joke and it just kills me to see this happen to us.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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3)It's not O's fault he was hired. his main sales pitch was continuity that IS is his "fault"
, my goodness. It's amazing this one statement is getting the most traction. So, it's O's fault he was hired. So it's your fault for selling yourself to get hired by an employer?
Not sure I've heard of such ignorance. So those who have not succeeded, should never apply for a job and should tell their employer they can't do the job?
Do you take the same responsibility for not being the best for your employer?
It's not the employer's fault, it's the person who applied! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:31 am to dos crystal
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5) I believe the rant put's way to much stock in Coaching. If you look at the best "coaches" they have the best "talent". O's success or failure will depend on his ability to evaluate talent, recruit it, and manage his roster accordingly. This is something that has been lacking since 2011
This is just intellectually dishonest. You can't say this after losing to a mid tier team by 30 points. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
It's not the fact that LSU lost. Most rational posters knew there was a good chance LSU could lose, but it's how they lost that you don't seem to get. If it's not that much about coaching, then Miss st has 30 points more talent than LSU. No other team that is averaging top 5 classes for years gets dominated like that. So either Miss St is a secret top 5 team or LSU coaches failed big time. Which is it?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:47 am to Baron
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So either Miss St is a secret top 5 team or LSU coaches failed big time. Which is it?
Youth and inexperience at this point. I don't think Ms. State is 30 points better. I do think they are better and more talented than you think they are.
People said the same thing when they whipped us three years ago. Check out NFL rosters from that team. They have quite a few pro's from that team. Simmons is a first round guy, fitzgerald is pretty good.
LSU has the talent of Ms. State. however, they don't have the experience of Ms. State. Ms. State had a great season 3 years ago. Mullen hasn't had great seasons the last two years. he's going to this year. His team has matured and he has some talented players.
LSU will see the same results. We will take our lumps this year. We will make huge strides next year due to experience. They won't crash down on the end's, they won't bite on a play action pass, They will not miss blocking assignments as much, they won't be thinking, and they will see a lot more success.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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his main sales pitch was continuity that IS is his "fault"
NO that's the fault if who "bought" the sales pitch, not the presenter ... besides,
it may still work out
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:12 pm to dos crystal
Lol at number 3!
He's putting his stamp on alright..
He's putting his stamp on alright..
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:14 pm to dos crystal
I just read 8 Excuses. Fight on Cookie Monster Club.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:15 pm to dos crystal
Lol at losing dupre hurts
Get real.. this is so ridiculous
What exactly did he do a season before?? Besides play soft.. outside on one great game?
Every team loses players man
LSU gained back players too such as LaCouture (sp) and Corey Thompson
They also have a Senior qb
There is no excuse to lose that bad to anyone. Especially Miss st. Even Miles never did that in his own tenure..
Get real.. this is so ridiculous
What exactly did he do a season before?? Besides play soft.. outside on one great game?
Every team loses players man
LSU gained back players too such as LaCouture (sp) and Corey Thompson
They also have a Senior qb
There is no excuse to lose that bad to anyone. Especially Miss st. Even Miles never did that in his own tenure..
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:18 pm to MOT
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Can't dispute a fact so result to name calling? I will definitely take you seriously.
Name calling and belligerence are characteristics that are highly specific to the Orgeron contingent. I guess they see themselves in him.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:26 pm to dos crystal
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This program has been short on talent in the offensive and defensive line's since 2011.
Let me ask you 3 simple questions:
Who was the defense line and recruiting coordinator at LSU in 2015 and 2016?
Who kept the offensive line coach on staff after he was hired as HC in 2017?
Who ran off 4 offensive lineman before the season started?
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:27 pm to dos crystal
The loss is partly his fault, but the following are illogical, irrational thoughts and a waste of air:
- "fire him", ain't gonna happen mid season and there's no on else to replace him anyway
-"let Brennan start", ain't gonna happen, no way we ruin a true freshman while we have a senior who knows the playbook
The rest is just babbling about this or that. Let's see if we look better against Syracuse, and then if we don't, you could make a case that a searching coach needs to be in stealth mode.
- "fire him", ain't gonna happen mid season and there's no on else to replace him anyway
-"let Brennan start", ain't gonna happen, no way we ruin a true freshman while we have a senior who knows the playbook
The rest is just babbling about this or that. Let's see if we look better against Syracuse, and then if we don't, you could make a case that a searching coach needs to be in stealth mode.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:56 pm to FranMully
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Coaching is the most important aspect of any team. I'd rather have an excellent coach with bad talent then a bad coach with excellent talent.
Although we should be used to that
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:04 pm to dos crystal
1- Yes it is... 6-6 is not good
2-Playing freshman is not a problem when you have superior talent. (Miss St)
3-No one is blaming Zero for being hired. He won the damned lottery. We have to correct the problem now.
4-The coaches should have simplified things if the scheme wasn't ready.
5- We don't have Bama talent. We have talent that is better than a 30 point loss to Miss St
6- A QB that isn't running for his life is a good thing. Etling was good against team when given time and WRs going against less skilled Dbs.
7-No one wanted Les (including me) he turned that around and won a NC. After losing to UT in 2005 everyone hated Les. He coached his butt off in 2005. We will see how Zero responds.
8-I was against both Les and Zero. I came around on Les but after 2012 I knew he was soon to be gone. Zero has led our team in the greatest decline in the shortest period of time I have seen. Watching the BYU game I knew we had a problem. The team is undisciplined and evidently don't understand football rules
2-Playing freshman is not a problem when you have superior talent. (Miss St)
3-No one is blaming Zero for being hired. He won the damned lottery. We have to correct the problem now.
4-The coaches should have simplified things if the scheme wasn't ready.
5- We don't have Bama talent. We have talent that is better than a 30 point loss to Miss St
6- A QB that isn't running for his life is a good thing. Etling was good against team when given time and WRs going against less skilled Dbs.
7-No one wanted Les (including me) he turned that around and won a NC. After losing to UT in 2005 everyone hated Les. He coached his butt off in 2005. We will see how Zero responds.
8-I was against both Les and Zero. I came around on Les but after 2012 I knew he was soon to be gone. Zero has led our team in the greatest decline in the shortest period of time I have seen. Watching the BYU game I knew we had a problem. The team is undisciplined and evidently don't understand football rules
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:05 pm to dos crystal
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3)It's not O's fault he was hired. He deserves the time (3 years) to put his stamp on the team/program. This program has been short on talent in the offensive and defensive line's since 2011. (The 2011 recruiting class was the decline of the program) He is improving the d. line talent. Key, Lawrence, Alexander, Logan, and Ferrell are guys he got in his 2 1/2 years here. If you look at The texas tech transfer and Shelvin. The d-line looks to be in good shape for the future.
A. He led a propaganda campaign to get himself hired (Cajun; talks like us; LSU family; Tiger walk; character; binder)
B. He was the fricking recruiting coordinator
C. He was (and is) the fricking defensive line coach
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 1:05 pm
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