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re: So we face a very weak Secondary...and I am honestly almost certain we won't...

Posted on 10/12/12 at 9:59 am to
Posted by LSU1018
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 9:59 am to
I really think we pass a good bit tomorrow night. We won't be able to run. I think you will see lots of wr screens and slants.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:01 am to
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So we face a very weak Secondary


Really? Link...
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:20 am to
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LSUdm21
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They shut the whole thing down after he threw the pick.


Skinny post on 3rd down is a difficult throw to ask a QB to make, especially a new one. I don't like what we ask our people to do.

Over 10% of our throws were to the Fullback. When you count in throws to the back, that makes up 20% of our passing game.

I like screen-games but when we have 4 of our 11 completions to our backs, drops or no drops, we're not helping our passing-game be successful. It's actually just lip service.

It comes off as if we're doing it to show balance in stats only, without a real dedication to attacking the field. We throw safe passes and don't stay aggressive.

I really feel weak-if not conservatively weak-playcalling is a huge concern for our offensive staff.
Posted by byubengalboy
Cypress, tx.
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:27 am to
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Because the deep ball would really soften the USC Front 7 if they would.


simplistic at best....how do you throw the deep ball when your oline and backs can't hold their blocks? our tackle (whomever that is) will need help with Clowney and I think Ware or Hill in the slot could help to slow him down by running pop and go's and by running traps right at him. our smurf receivers must get separation and our bigs will have to exploit the soft sideline spot between the CB and S.

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I wish that we would drop back, or roll the pocket, or give him a pistol deep drop...


yeah...and I wish that Mett had the feet to accomplish all of this. the clowns on this board who clamored against having a dual threat qb have gotten their wish. Mett reminds me a lot of JL. he can be highly effective when he has a perfect pocket to work from....he is a disaster waiting to happen when he doesn't.

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It's time to be bold and do what it takes to make your gameplan and philosophy work.


I couldn't agree more...but deep balls will only be effective if we soften them up with quick three step outs, slants and drags to our backs and please get our TE's involved.


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C'mon, Les! Take your foot off the brakes!


more like put your foot up your olines arse! they respond....we win.

Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8310 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:51 am to
If someone actually step up and catch the ball they wouldn't be able to focus coverage on any one single receiver. It would also help if we would send out multiple receivers instead of plays that send out one WR with only one option. Is it even possible to throw to a RB? Just a thought. Maybe run more than one screen per game as well.
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:51 am to


give me one reason why passing more is a better idea against Clowney & Co. than running straight at him/them.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 10:52 am
Posted by Big_Cock_Fan
Columbia, SC
Member since Jun 2012
1139 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:59 am to
LMAO at Weak
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:00 am to
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Big_Cock_Fan
@ your name
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:02 am to
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byubengalboy
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yeah...and I wish that Mett had the feet to accomplish all of this. the clowns on this board who clamored against having a dual threat qb have gotten their wish. Mett reminds me a lot of JL. he can be highly effective when he has a perfect pocket to work from....he is a disaster waiting to happen when he doesn't.


Dude, it takes better footwork to hit a 3 & 5 step drop pass than it does to take a simple drop from the shotgun or a half-drop from the Pistol. Not sure where you are on that one.

Oh, and if I might backtrack...

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how do you throw the deep ball when your oline and backs can't hold their blocks? our tackle (whomever that is) will need help with Clowney and I think Ware or Hill in the slot could help to slow him down by running pop and go's and by running traps right at him. our smurf receivers must get separation and our bigs will have to exploit the soft sideline spot between the CB and S.


I think you hit on the answer. You run at him, screen him and swing passes over him on WELL EXECUTED cut-blocks. Then you PA-pass at him.

Better yet, you run some shotgun draws right past him on the upfield rush. Using the same look you can also hit the stick or seam to the TE off the fake-draw.

You can use the personnel the same no matter where you line the QB up at and have credible runs designed to take advantage of their best player.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 11:03 am
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:07 am to
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BigEdLSU
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give me one reason why passing more is a better idea against Clowney & Co. than running straight at him/them.


Because if we throw then we can run the ball more effectively.

Stop thinking about 2011. The 2011 offensive line is not here anymore. The ligaments in Faulk's knee have been surgically repaired. He's out. Lonergan's back is spasaming and he's <100%. Williford is concussed and not at 100%. Hurst is AWOL w/Personal Issues.

The philosophy that we used last year to pulverize weaker teams is simply not going to work. You cannot play it safe on offense and win this game. You must be balanced-but tactically balanced-and by that I mean you must throw SITUATIONALLY smarter than we have done.

Which means stop throwing to the Fullback on 3rd & medium. Stop running on 1st down 8 times consecutively. Stop asking your QB to make difficult 3rd down throws and play to his strengths. Stop giving defenses a chance to bracket coverage by using personnel and formation groupings to your advantage.

None of which we've shown thusfar.

Yes, execution is a part of it. But we can coach much, much better than we have been.

But stop thinking 2011. That OL left and its not coming back for awhile.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 11:08 am
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:14 am to
My opinion has nothing to do with 2011.

Clowney is the best pass rushing DE college football has seen in a very long time.

Why in the hell would you pass more? He'll just create a huge disruption and account for turnovers and sacks practically every drive, especially against JD.

If you run at him, and use counters, traps, cross bucks, to throw off the other linemen, THAT is the recipe for success.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:19 am to
You said:

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Why in the hell would you pass more?


In response to me saying:

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You must be balanced-but tactically balanced-and by that I mean you must throw SITUATIONALLY smarter than we have done.


I did mention to accentuate our QB's strengths & also to be smarter about playcalling and targeting receivers, right? Or am I taking crazy pills?

Meanwhile, what are you on about by me saying throw it more? I'm just saying that Connor Neighbors & JC Copeland don't need to get 15% of our targets on our passing plays.

If you disagree, I'm perfectly okay agreeing to do so with you.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 11:20 am
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7222 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:22 am to
You have to pass if you want to win. If you don't get 9 out of the box, it doesn't matter who the lineman are, we won't be able to run.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:26 am to
Agree to disagree. I think we should run it 75% this weekend.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:45 am to
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BigEdLSU
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Agree to disagree. I think we should run it 75% this weekend.


Geezus...
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
34855 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:50 am to
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Agree to disagree. I think we should run it 75% this weekend.


you think we can run on USC?
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:57 am to
No. If we are pass happy we will be seeing 3rd and 30.

Only way we win IMO is an ugly game punt war.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:44 pm to
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BigEdLSU
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No. If we are pass happy we will be seeing 3rd and 30.

Only way we win IMO is an ugly game punt war.


This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 12:45 pm
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:47 pm to
Whatever makes the most sense in taking advantage of the other teams weakness, les will do the opposite. We've seen it 1000 times
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Member since Mar 2006
48329 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:49 pm to
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Mett reminds me a lot of JL.


You know how I know you don't know anything about football?
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