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re: Small ball baseball=four corners basketball

Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:39 am to
Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:39 am to
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I could be wrong, but it seemed to me the ump actually had a low strike zone whenever he was actually forced to call balls and strikes.
Our hitters just didnt give him that chance very often.




That is exactly the same thing I saw.....I'd bet that a lot of his pitches that were just below the letters would have been called balls....had we not been trying to cool them off with our bats.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:41 am to
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The biggest thing with the seams is the larger they are the more movement a pitcher gets.

That isn't the biggest thing. All else being equal on a deep fly ball, the ball can travel an extra 25 feet with the lower seams because the coefficient of restitution is higher.
Posted by TexanPete
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:56 am to
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LSU316


LSU-Astros-Lakers

Please tell me you also like the Saints. You'll have a friend for life.
Posted by 2007lsuno1
Marietta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:57 am to
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PurpleAndGold86
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They won. They executed the bunts and we had 2 defensive lapses the costs us the game.

So true.
Posted by shrevetiger53
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:58 am to
Mainieri needs to learn the bunt--not having Rhymes bunt in 9th was terrible--turns to bunt twice, has a 2-0 count and then Mainieri takes the bunt off--double play. Rhymes unfortunately has turned into a double play king--you have to bunt regardless in that situation, even with 2 strikes! A poor coaching decision.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:00 am to
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Please tell me you also like the Saints.


I'm not a huge NFL fan but yes I go to a lot of Saints games and usually go watch the games with friends....I don't hang on the Saints like I do the Stros and LSU (and to a little lesser extent the Lakers).
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:13 am to
Not sure why some people didn't like that game (despite the outcome)

Watching pitch placement was intriguing, never really got that much into it before but did yesterday. Both pitchers did a great job feeling out the umpires generous strike zone and working the fringes.
Posted by 2007lsuno1
Marietta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:00 pm to
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Not sure why some people didn't like that game (despite the outcome) Watching pitch placement was intriguing, never really got that much into it before but did yesterday. Both pitchers did a great job feeling out the umpires generous strike zone and working the fringes.
You said it all right there.
Posted by hhstigerdad
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:57 pm to
Thank you! That coaching decision cost us the game. Forget the errors, pop ups, etc. With Katz on 2nd with 1 out, Moore's hit would have tied the game and we would have had achance to win it with Jacoby up and runners on 1st & 3rd with one out.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27722 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:04 pm to
If you can figure this out, why couldn't PM and Sanchez. I am so done with Sanchez, I swear I would help him pack his shite and gtfo.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13575 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:20 pm to
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Mainieri needs to learn the bunt--not having Rhymes bunt in 9th was terrible--turns to bunt twice, has a 2-0 count and then Mainieri takes the bunt off--double play. Rhymes unfortunately has turned into a double play king--you have to bunt regardless in that situation, even with 2 strikes! A poor coaching decision.


Yawnnnn...if Rhymes executes the hit and run that was called properly, then it's runners on 1st and 3rd with no one out. He called the hit and run specifically to stay out of the DP.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:23 pm to
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Thank you! That coaching decision cost us the game. Forget the errors, pop ups, etc. With Katz on 2nd with 1 out, Moore's hit would have tied the game and we would have had achance to win it with Jacoby up and runners on 1st & 3rd with one out.


And if the hit and run is executed properly, Katz scores from 3rd with Moore single and then you have runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out, which is even better. It was a good call by CPM that wasnt executed. It just didnt work out.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:23 pm to
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if Rhymes executes the hit and run that was called properly, then it's runners on 1st and 3rd with no one out

Executing a hit and run doesn't automatically mean a base hit. If it did then every coach should just call a hit and run every single time there is a man on base.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13575 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:27 pm to
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Executing a hit and run doesn't automatically mean a base hit. If it did then every coach should just call a hit and run every single time there is a man on base.


And bunting (if he evens gets it down) doesnt automatically mean runner on 2nd with 1 out. Of course it's not a guaranteed grounder through the 2nd base hole everytime, but in a 2-0 count w/ Rhymes a ground ball hitter and good overall hitter, you have to trust that one of your better hitters can do what he's been coached to do and hit the ball on the ground to the right side right? It's 2-0, you know he's getting a fastball and then Berg threw one perfectly on the outside corner, a tailor-made hit and run pitch and Rhymes pulled it. Exactly what he's NOT supposed to do.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 1:30 pm
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:30 pm to
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And bunting (if he evens gets it down) doesnt automatically mean runner on 2nd with 1 out

Never said it did.
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but in a 2-0 count w/ Rhymes a ground ball hitter and good overall hitter, you have to trust that one of your better hitters can do what he's been coached to do and hit the ball on the ground to the right side right?

I really don't have a problem with the hit and run call last night with Rhymes in that particular count against that calibar of a pitcher.
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Berg threw one perfectly on the outside corner, a tailor-made hit and run pitch

Don't make it sound like that dude was easy to hit off of. He has a .81 ERA for a reason. The pitch was very well located and had a ton of sink on it. He is a ground ball pitcher. Unfortunately the ground ball went right at someone and their second baseman made a very good play to turn the DP.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260562 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:36 pm to
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Executing a hit and run doesn't automatically mean a base hit. If it did then every coach should just call a hit and run every single time there is a man on base.


It was just a huge, failed gamble. Odds of it working were slim, and the DP was too much of a possibility. I would bet Coach wouldn't do it again.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13575 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:39 pm to
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Don't make it sound like that dude was easy to hit off of. He has a .81 ERA for a reason. The pitch was very well located and had a ton of sink on it. He is a ground ball pitcher. Unfortunately the ground ball went right at someone and their second baseman made a very good play to turn the DP.


No im not saying he was easy to hit off of, which is why I didnt say he served him up a tailor-made fastball that should have been smoked to right field. Im only criticizing Rhymes' approach. It's a hit and run, he should be looking for a pitch to put in play to the right side and he got one, a sinker like you said, which should have been even more favorable for him to get the job done. He pulled it, which means his approach wasnt to hit the other way, which it should have been. He didnt execute.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:40 pm to
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Odds of it working were slim

How are the odds of a hit and run working slim with one of the best contact hitters on the team?

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and the DP was too much of a possibility

You hit and run to stay out of the double play. You don't very often see a double play on a hit and run, so to say a double play was too much of a possibility there is just dumb.

Some of the things you people say is so comical.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:43 pm to
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It's a hit and run, he should be looking for a pitch to put in play to the right side and he got one

Well he really shouldn't be "looking" for anything. He's swinging regardless. The only thing he should be looking for is contact.

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He didnt execute.

Obviously he would like the at bat back I'm sure. But give some credit where credit due. Their second baseman made a very difficult turn on that ball to actually turn the DP. If either one of those guys is safe we aren't even discussing this because we tie the game in the 9th inning. It was a nice defensive play.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260562 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:43 pm to
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Odds of it working were slim


How are the odds of a hit and run working slim with one of the best contact hitters on the team?


What are the odds of it actually working with a hitter who was cold on the night? 1 in three, at best?
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and the DP was too much of a possibility


You hit and run to stay out of the double play. You don't very often see a double play on a hit and run, so to say a double play was too much of a possibility there is just dumb.


Yet it happened, dummy.

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Some of the things you people say is so comical


99% of coaches would bunt the runner over. Coach PM would do it if he had the chance again.

Are you saying he was wrong for having the bunt on the first two pitches?
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