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Skip Bertman / Les Miles
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:16 pm
Knowing what we know now about Les. How bad do you think Skip wishes he could go back in time and Give Saban his Job back after the 2 year stint with the Dolphins?
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:19 pm to Outboard
if a guy like Skip has a regret that’s probably it
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:21 pm to Outboard
quote:He doesn't at all because he knows it wasn't a thing.
How bad do you think Skip wishes he could go back in time and Give Saban his Job back after the 2 year stint with the Dolphins?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:23 pm to Outboard
The answer is yes. Not because we know what we now know about Les. But because we know what we now know about Saban. That he may be the best CFB in modern history.
Les didn't perform poorly. He won a NC and played for another. Still, the only LSU coach two appear in two NC games. But, if in 2006 you had a crystal ball that told you Saban was destine to play for 9 NCs and win 6...at one of your hated rivals...you make that trade 100% of the time.
When Saban was hired Les was 10-2, about to thrash ND in the Sugar Bowl, and was coming off a 10-1 season in 2005 with a potential NC contender in the works for 2007.
Saban had a great career resurrecting LSU, but had failed with the Dolphins. There was ZERO objective reason in January of 2006 to want to fire Les. Hindsight is always 20/20
Les didn't perform poorly. He won a NC and played for another. Still, the only LSU coach two appear in two NC games. But, if in 2006 you had a crystal ball that told you Saban was destine to play for 9 NCs and win 6...at one of your hated rivals...you make that trade 100% of the time.
When Saban was hired Les was 10-2, about to thrash ND in the Sugar Bowl, and was coming off a 10-1 season in 2005 with a potential NC contender in the works for 2007.
Saban had a great career resurrecting LSU, but had failed with the Dolphins. There was ZERO objective reason in January of 2006 to want to fire Les. Hindsight is always 20/20
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:23 pm to Outboard
This idea that Skip should have simply fired Les and rehired Saban is so, so stupid.
First off, that’s assuming Saban wanted to come back. I think he probably would have, but we don’t know 100%.
Second, imagine firing a head coach that went 11-2 and 11-2. Won the sec west and made 2 NY6 games. It would never, ever happen(barring a scandal). Sure, looking back now everyone would make that call, but in the moment, it was an asinine idea.
First off, that’s assuming Saban wanted to come back. I think he probably would have, but we don’t know 100%.
Second, imagine firing a head coach that went 11-2 and 11-2. Won the sec west and made 2 NY6 games. It would never, ever happen(barring a scandal). Sure, looking back now everyone would make that call, but in the moment, it was an asinine idea.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:24 pm to Outboard
Revisionist history. Skip doesn't lose a second of sleep over this.
He made the right decision with the data he had at the time.
He made the right decision with the data he had at the time.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:27 pm to DBG
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Second, imagine firing a head coach that went 11-2 and 11-2. Won the sec west and made 2 NY6 games.
The key in his hypothetical is “knowing what we know now”.
There’s not a single school that wouldn’t fire whoever to have Saban as he left the Dolphins - again, knowing what we know now.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:36 pm to DBG
At the end of 2006 Saban expressed interest in coming back. There was serious talk about firing Les at the end of 2006, but Skip and Weems wouldn’t allow it. In 2007 when Michigan called Les, Saban let it be known that was interested in leaving Alabama to come back. These are facts and not hypotheticals. Given the facts at the end of the night following the 2007 SECCG, LSU made the correct decision to provide Les with a “promise” to make him a top 3 paid coach if he extended his contract.
In my opinion , the real question is why in the hell did we keep him around after 2012, let alone 2015. King and Alleva sealed their professional fates by keeping him around.
In my opinion , the real question is why in the hell did we keep him around after 2012, let alone 2015. King and Alleva sealed their professional fates by keeping him around.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:40 pm to DBG
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This idea that Skip should have simply fired Les and rehired Saban is so, so stupid.
no it’s not.
it’s a ton of hindsight, but it would have 100000% been a genius move if he could have done it.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:41 pm to michael corleone
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At the end of 2006 Saban expressed interest in coming back. There was serious talk about firing Les at the end of 2006, but Skip and Weems wouldn’t allow it. In 2007 when Michigan called Les, Saban let it be known that was interested in leaving Alabama to come back.
I don’t believe any of this
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:45 pm to DBG
Let it go already.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:49 pm to michael corleone
quote:
t the end of 2006 Saban expressed interest in coming back. There was serious talk about firing Les at the end of 2006, but Skip and Weems wouldn’t allow it. In 2007 when Michigan called Les, Saban let it be known that was interested in leaving Alabama to come back. These are facts and not hypotheticals.
Where are these "facts"? Who has them? How about providing some reliable documentation.
Saban never EVER expressed a desire to leave Alabama and return to LSU. Why should he?
Where do you people get this shite?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 1:58 pm to DBG
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I don’t believe any of this
I have little doubt that Saban had his agent reach out to LSU, when all of the Les to Michigan talk was making its rounds. If I remember correctly Saban and Miles both used Jimmy Sexton as their agent. Sexton would have been smart to try and position one of his other clients in the LSU job before Les was even announced at Michigan.
You have to remember Saban finished his first season at Alabama with 6-6 record and a loss to ULM.
Even if he never intended on coming back to LSU, Saban has on several occasions since 2007 allowed his name to be floated by his agent and then gotten a big raise/extension from Bama (Texas and various NFL jobs).
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:01 pm to Outboard
And how would he do that? Just fire Les miles and probably buy out the remainder of his his contract, deal with with a law suite over improper firing.
Tell us how would this go down?
I could see if Les miles had done shite In two years and a firing justified it, but a firing wasn’t justified
Tell us how would this go down?
I could see if Les miles had done shite In two years and a firing justified it, but a firing wasn’t justified
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:04 pm to mikesliveisacheater
Sexton was never ever never miles agent. Do y’all Just make shite up?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:11 pm to Outboard
Saban lied to Bertman all the way to the bowl game. He then leaves in late December in the middle of a top recruiting year, exposing recruits to other schools as they scrambled to find a coach. Also, most of the "good and available" coaches had already signed elsewhere.
Saban was underwhelming at Miami and left with a 6-10 record and again quit on his contract and his players and lied about it again right up to the end.
Hard to blame Bertman for not wanting to fire Miles, which wouldve been a buyout and then hiring Saban at that point. Just a season later - Miles was holding the crystal in New Orleans after thrashing the Ohio State Buckeyes.
Saban was underwhelming at Miami and left with a 6-10 record and again quit on his contract and his players and lied about it again right up to the end.
Hard to blame Bertman for not wanting to fire Miles, which wouldve been a buyout and then hiring Saban at that point. Just a season later - Miles was holding the crystal in New Orleans after thrashing the Ohio State Buckeyes.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:16 pm to LosTigres251
Saban never lied to Bertman he made it known and it wasn’t a secret that every off season he was being courted by the nfl. Chicago, ny giants and others were a few of the teams that courted saban almost every off season.
How did he lie to lsu?
How did he lie to lsu?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:39 pm to Gorilla Ball
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Saban never lied to Bertman
Ok, have it your way. We can argue the word choice. What is not arguable is Saban pulled a douche bag move to the school and the man that put him on the map.
Did Saban lie to Huizenga?
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:42 pm to DBG
quote:Truly amazing anyone thinks it could have happened.
This idea that Skip should have simply fired Les and rehired Saban is so, so stupid.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 2:42 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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There’s not a single school that wouldn’t fire whoever to have Saban as he left the Dolphins - again, knowing what we know now.
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