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re: Should CJJ coach the next LSU basketball game?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 2:16 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 1/8/17 at 2:16 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
The season is clearly a bust at this point. I don't see firing him at this point worth the bad press for LSU. We might as well let it play out and terminate him at the end of the season.
I do however, find it interesting that John Brady was at the State game with Dale Brown. I wonder if Brady is trying to make a comeback. He was certainly better than JJ.
The bottom line is that I pretty much give up on LSU Hoops ever being relevant again. For whatever reason, it just can't seem to turn into a constant quality product. I certainly don't trust Alleva to turn it around.
I do however, find it interesting that John Brady was at the State game with Dale Brown. I wonder if Brady is trying to make a comeback. He was certainly better than JJ.
The bottom line is that I pretty much give up on LSU Hoops ever being relevant again. For whatever reason, it just can't seem to turn into a constant quality product. I certainly don't trust Alleva to turn it around.
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Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:21 pm to LSUwag
New energy and a change of philosophy. Might as well give it a shot.
We already know the answer keeping CJJ around the rest of the year.
We already know the answer keeping CJJ around the rest of the year.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 5:51 pm to ellessuuuu
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I agree he should be gone, but what good does a mid-season firing do if it doesn't give you a head start on hiring a good coach. Alleva has proven an early firing did him no good in football, I'd rather fire at the end of the season and take a few weeks (when good coaches in the NCAA Tournament) to find a proven coach.
I totally agree with this. If he is going to be fired, wait until the end of the season. Let him finish what he started. I don't think he should be fired, but if that is the overwhelming consensus then it's going to happen.
I just don't understand what people thought was going to happen this season. It is a super young team that just lost 4-5 starters from a team last year that wasn't that good (over 60ppg from the guys that left). Other than the super BB programs, nobody can have those kind of losses and be as good the next season. It was supposed to be a rebuilding year. But I guess that isn't allowed anymore..
Posted on 1/8/17 at 6:03 pm to brmark70816
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I just don't understand what people thought was going to happen this season.
I think what most people thought was going to happen was evidenced by what we were picked to finish in the SEC....12th...and that was with Craig Victor.
The issue for me with that is we were not picked to finish 12th because of relative talent in the conference. We were picked to finish 12th because folks who follow LSU hoops for a living saw that shite show last year and knew the issues are deeper than relative talent.
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It is a super young team that just lost 4-5 starters from a team last year that wasn't that good
Well, we just lost to by 20 at home to a team that is the youngest in the country according to metrics I've heard and was considerably worse than us last year. And you're going to have to name the 5 starters we lost. I can only count 3 and we stared the year 4 players back with significant experience and who were all part-time starters.
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nobody can have those kind of losses and be as good the next season.
Being as good ain't the issue here. It's playing to your capability, competing and giving consistent effort. Man, I can live with a lot of things....but half-assing...I can't live with that. And IMHO we've seen way to much here under CJJ, particularly the last two years.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 6:41 pm to brmark70816
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It was supposed to be a rebuilding year. But I guess that isn't allowed anymore..
What was last year supposed to be?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 6:44 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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What was last year supposed to be?
Yeah.
No shite.
You don't get "rebuilding years" when there was nothing to rebuild from.
You get rebuilding years after you make a Sweet 16, Elite 8..
Posted on 1/8/17 at 6:58 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Sorry, I forgot we have a shite show for an AD. Alleva will forget to fire CJJ at the end of the season when the press floats rumors of a firing. Then he'll fire him three games into the SEC schedule and make Livingston interim coach and then hire him as coach when he forgets to look for a coach during the interim period.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 7:54 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
We are rebuilding from a near NIT season with the #1 pick. We should be back in NIT contention for 2018 IMO
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:19 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Votes are staggering. Let's go JA.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:50 am to brmark70816
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It is a super young team that just lost 4-5 starters from a team last year that wasn't that good It was supposed to be a rebuilding year. But I guess that isn't allowed anymore..
He's in year 5. Everything should be in place and running smoothy by now. Doesn't take that long to build a Basketball program.
All the existing problems are 100% the fault of the HC. In way over his head. Clueless in regards to X's & O's. Embarrassingly inept at game coaching.
The only reason he's still HC is because so many LSU Alums/Fans have given up on Basketball, have lost interest in the program and have not put any heat on Snow Peas Joe to make a change.
As one who was actually there in the building in the late 70's/early 80's, LSU basketball can be just as exciting as Football.
It still can be, but the right coach has to be put in charge of the program. That will take $$$$$$$ and a commitment, but it can be accomplished rather quickly with the right man in place!.............
Posted on 1/9/17 at 2:40 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Disagree, I don't want an assistant to do well, on an interim basis, and get the job.
It's only about 6 weeks to baseball(timing???).
It's only about 6 weeks to baseball(timing???).
Posted on 1/9/17 at 5:15 am to CL8100
Except for Kentucky....sec basketball is boring as hell
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:22 am to tigers1956
THIS!!!!!
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:32 am to brmark70816
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I just don't understand what people thought was going to happen this season. It is a super young team that just lost 4-5 starters from a team last year that wasn't that good (over 60ppg from the guys that left). Other than the super BB programs, nobody can have those kind of losses and be as good the next season. It was supposed to be a rebuilding year. But I guess that isn't allowed anymore..
We just got waxed at home by the youngest team in the entire NCAA. Having a young college basketball team is not an excuse anymore. Freshmen come in and start day one. Also, this is Johnnys own fault. He is the one recruiting and put us in a tough spot by not getting any more bigs in this class or the last one.
And you dont "rebuild" in year 5
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:05 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Should CJJ coach the next LSU basketball game?
I think he should at least try.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:10 am to GeorgeTheGreek
I will once again say that watching LSU play basketball is embarrassing. I feel bad for the players. They are not motivated, not technically sound, and don't look like they even are coached to play defense. There is only one reason for this. Coaching. LSU used to compete for a tournament birth - now we just are hoping for a winning season. LSU should be able to compete year in and year out in basketball given the athletic department's funding. Total BS.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:30 am to geauxpurple
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Randy Livingston should be the Ed Orgeron of this basketball season.
As long as they don't hire him to be full time coach... he is from the Dale Brown lineage. Can we hire someone who hasn't been affiliated with LSU basketball not named Trent Johnson?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:31 pm to semjase
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The only reason he's still HC is because so many LSU Alums/Fans have given up on Basketball, have lost interest in the program and have not put any heat on Snow Peas Joe to make a change.
IMHO this is absolutely the case. Anyone watching what unfolded last year....seeing that and not recognizing it's broken...I just think they are blinded.
Any Johnny is a good guy. I wasn't in favor of the hire but wanted him to do well. But as you say not enough folks who make a difference care enough and those who do are the ones who got him hired.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:56 pm to semjase
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The only reason he's still HC is because so many LSU Alums/Fans have given up on Basketball, have lost interest in the program and have not put any heat on Snow Peas Joe to make a change
Fans desperately wanted to care last season. This isn't just an Alleva problem. Jones was retained because the President didn't want to spend money on a new BB coach when he knew Les was just one loss away from the torches and pitchforks coming out again. This problem goes right to the top with F. King. He has shown he doesn't particularly care if the athletic program is a powerhouse. He just doesn't want to spend a bunch of money on athletics because it "looks bad" for his narrative that LSU is "broke" and potentially on the verge of closing its doors (which is complete hyperbole and largely, bullshite)
You saw it when LSU chose to retain Les in 2015.
You saw it when LSU didn't want to get into a "bidding war", thus leading them to abruptly and unnecessarily ending the coaching search in football to hire (actually overpay) the cheapest option.
You saw it when they ending the construction of the Nutrition Center.
You are going to see it again if/when Jones is fired.
F. King looks at athletics and academics as competing entities which is absolutely ridiculous considering that LSU athletics funds itself AND gives money to the academic side. The quality of the university isn't going to suffer if LSU chooses to pay top-dollar for football/basketball coaches. But alas, paying the football coach $5 million "looks bad" in comparison to what a tenured professor makes. Sadly, F. King's background isn't in business. Otherwise he would realize that even the most tenured professor isn't packing in 100,000 PAYING customers to watch one of his lectures. The market value of a college football coach is in the millions. The market value of a professor isn't.
Until LSU gets someone at the top who realizes athletics and academics can work together, nothing is going to change.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:15 pm to Alt26
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This problem goes right to the top with F. King. He has shown he doesn't particularly care if the athletic program is a powerhouse. He just doesn't want to spend a bunch of money on athletics because it "looks bad" for his narrative that LSU is "broke" and potentially on the verge of closing its doors (which is complete hyperbole and largely, bullshite)
Alleva needs to tell him to frick off and continue to emphasize the separation of the University and TAF. I dont care how it looks.
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