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Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:08 pm
Posted by Fred Farkle
Member since Jun 2008
616 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:08 pm
I recall the scenarios vaguely. But didn't everything that needed to happen actually happen for LSU to win the west except obviously for the last 50 seconds of Bama and Ark? I realize those but fors are big. Just pointing out that the wacky unlikely scenarios happen and we had a chance. I think.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
14176 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

I recall the scenarios vaguely. But didn't everything that needed to happen actually happen for LSU to win the west except obviously for the last 50 seconds of Bama and Ark? I realize those but fors are big. Just pointing out that the wacky unlikely scenarios happen and we had a chance. I think.


Yes. Had we beaten Bama and Arky, we would've won the SEC West via tiebreak.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:16 pm to
We would have had less of a chance for the playoffs than MSU if they kept their one loss only
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:23 pm to
Nope we still would've lost.

State cross divisional opponent record: 2-14
Bama cross divisional opponent record: 7-9
LSU cross divisional opponent record: 6-10

Bama had the harder schedule meaning they win

If Tennessee had lost to vandy then Bama and Lsu would've tied on that record and state is eliminated meanjng it's a head to head scenario with Bama and we win

sucks
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 5:26 pm
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
14176 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:31 pm to
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Nope we still would've lost. State cross divisional opponent record: 2-14 Bama cross divisional opponent record: 7-9 LSU cross divisional opponent record: 6-10 Bama had the harder schedule meaning they win If Tennessee had lost to vandy then Bama and Lsu would've tied on that record and state is eliminated meanjng it's a head to head scenario with Bama and we win


Beating Bama head to head and we'd still have finished behind them? That makes no sense.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:35 pm to
nope..we needed ole miss in the tie. As it would have stood, Tenn would have had a better record than KY....therefore bama would have gotten in.
Posted by LondonTiger
London
Member since Oct 2011
88 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:44 pm to
It makes perfect sense:

quote:

Beating Bama head to head and we'd still have finished behind them? That makes no sense.


A number of teams would have been equal on 2 losses, e.g. We beat Bama who beat MSU who beat us, and each would have lost one other divisional game and won everything else. One of them has to be chosen. In this case it could have come down to the record of the cross-divisional opponent of each, in which case Bama's cross-divisional opponents did better than LSU's, so Bama would have gone through to the SECCG.

At the time those scenarios were being talked about, it looked like LSU's cross-division opponents would do better than Bama's, but it didn't pan out that way.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:45 pm to
I posted the last paragraph to show we needed Vandy to beat Tennessee as well. That was the way we would've won the tie breaker.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:49 pm to
My whole point is though whatever process needed to happen for us to win the SECC, our season would still have ended with a NON Championship bowl, just a higher level bowl than we get now.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:51 pm to
We would've been in the Orange bowl most likely. Can't complain with that, but now you can complain cuz we finished 8-4
Posted by CheerWhine
A little bit of Mardi Gras
Member since Apr 2014
73265 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 6:00 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 7:23 pm
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 6:10 pm to
Hey I am just riding out this year as best I can

Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10186 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 6:21 pm to
The correct answer is that we would have gone.

1) 3-way tie with MSU and Bama
2) Same head-to-head
3) Same division record
4) Record against next best team: Ole Miss. We beat them. MSU and Bama both lost.

Arky beating Ole Miss was a requirement as it played out because we would have lost the 4-way tiebreaker to Bama because of SECE opponent records.

We would have gone.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 6:35 pm
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 7:16 pm to
quote:

The correct answer is that we would have gone.


no, we wouldn't have.
Posted by CheerWhine
A little bit of Mardi Gras
Member since Apr 2014
73265 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 7:28 pm to
quote:

no, we wouldn't have.


Yes, we would have. I initially thought we wouldn't, but remembered Auburn's record wrong. If we had beaten Bama and Arky (and everything else stayed the same), the top of the West would look like this:

LSU 6-2
Bama 6-2
MSU 6-2
Ole Miss 5-3
Auburn 4-4

The tiebreakers would happen like this:

1) Head-to-head: All 1-1
2) Division record: All 4-2
3) Record vs. next best team in the division: vs. Ole Miss: LSU 1-0, Bama and MSU 0-1

We would win the tiebreaker and go to Atlanta. Makes it even more painful.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10186 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

Yes, we would have


this
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43127 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 7:37 pm to
We didn't handle our bidness
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 8:19 pm to
There seems to be some confusion as to how the tie breaker works. Does anyone care to cite a source?
Posted by Fred Farkle
Member since Jun 2008
616 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 8:24 pm to
SEC Div. Tiebreaker - 3 Ties

Looks like Sec. 2(C) confirms the "we woulda gone" camp. i.e. - we are the only ones to beat Ole Miss.

2. Three-Team Tie (or more): If three teams (or more) are tied for a division title, the following procedure will be used in the following order: (Note: If one of the procedures results in one team being eliminated and two remaining, the two-team tiebreaker procedure as stated in No. 1 above will be used):

A. Combined head to head record among the tied teams;

B. Record of the tied teams within the division;

C. Head to head competition against the team within the division with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non divisional) and proceeding through the division (multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last and a tie for first place will be broken before a tie for fourth place);

D. Overall Conference record against non divisional teams;

E. Combined record against all common non divisional teams;

F. Record against the common non divisional team with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non divisional) and proceeding through other common non divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division; and

G. Best cumulative Conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents (Note: If two teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, then the two-team tiebreaker procedures apply. If four teams are tied, and three teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, the three-team tiebreaker procedures will be used beginning with 2.A.);
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10186 posts
Posted on 12/1/14 at 8:25 pm to
LINK

quote:

2. Three-Team Tie (or more): If three teams (or more) are tied for a division title, the following procedure will be used in the following order: (Note: If one of the procedures results in one team being eliminated and two remaining, the two-team tiebreaker procedure as stated in No. 1 above will be used):

A. Combined head to head record among the tied teams;

B. Record of the tied teams within the division;

C. Head to head competition against the team within the division with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non divisional) and proceeding through the division (multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last and a tie for first place will be broken before a tie for fourth place);

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