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SEC Talent Rankings

Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:44 am
Posted by SlickG
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:44 am
The most objective way I could think of to get a sense of the general talent level of our SEC brethren was to average the national recruiting rankings from 247 over the last 5 years. It seems that the 247 rankings are the most respected and I picked 5 years to cover redshirt seniors through true freshman on the 2015 teams:

SEC Rank - Team - Average National Ranking

1 Alabama 1.0

2 LSU 7.0

3 Georgia 8.0

4 Auburn 8.4

5 Florida 9.6

6 Tennessee 13.8

7 A&M 15.2

8 South Carolina 18.6

9 Ole Miss 21.2

10 Arkansas 24.8

11 Mississippi St. 26.8

12 Kentucky 36.2

13 Missouri 39.0

14 Vanderbilt 43.4

I wanted to post this for a few reasons. I have heard a lot of people say this week that LSU has just as much talent as Bama. I feel that our starters are pretty even talent wise, however the difference is depth. With the top recruiting ranking every single year, they have a few more guys than us that can come off the bench and not suffer a drop off; especially in the defensive front 7. On the flip side, I think our superior depth is a big reason why we beat Miss St. this year.

The second reason I posted this is to emphasize the importance of this week’s game against the pigz. Looking at the rankings above, you can see the difference in talent between Arky and LSU. Additionally, Arkansas had ZERO players on Phil Steele’s pre-season All-SEC 1st, 2nd, 3rd, OR 4th team defenses or special teams.

I understand that Toledo, who likely would be ranked lower than Vandy in the above rankings, beat Arkansas, as well as Jacksonville St. playing with AU for 4 quarters. This puts the emphasis on Miles and this coaching staff to earn their salary, motivate this team, and avoid the embarrassment that was last year’s Arky game. Between Bielema’s post-game comments last year that “we beat’em like yard dogs” or whatever he said, and the Boot trophy, we have no reason not to be up for this game. We have no buisness loosing to an inferior program and a team with inferior talent two years in a row.
Posted by TexasAg13
San Antonio de Béxar
Member since Jul 2013
5815 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:47 am to
247 does a team ranking based on the current roster.

LINK
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:48 am to
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1 Alabama 1.0


lost last 2 years to

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9 Ole Miss 21.2

Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10457 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:50 am to
Bama doesn't play every single recruit they have and there is definitely some bias in the rankings, but you know why they get ranked #1? It's not just purely on talent. They consistently fill needs every year and have balance in their classes.

They don't go a single year with just 1 DL player, like LSU did in 2012. They don't go 2 years with only 3 LBers of which maybe 1 is SEC talent level. They don't go a year like last year with no LBers.

No, instead they recruit every position every year and let the players compete for their playing time. Instead, LSU fans continually whine how LSU lacks depth, and then turn around and laud how great a recruiter Les is.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83933 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:53 am to
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247 does a team ranking based on the current roster.



18:5 for 5 stars in favor of Alabama.

GIVE MILES A RAISE!
Posted by TigerMac81
Bossier City, LA
Member since Dec 2007
3010 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:53 am to
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LSU fans continually whine how LSU lacks depth, and then turn around and laud how great a recruiter Les is.


Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:18 am to
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No, instead they recruit every position every year and let the players compete for their playing time. Instead, LSU fans continually whine how LSU lacks depth, and then turn around and laud how great a recruiter Les is.


Saban in the best recruiter in the country by a mile and is arguably the best recruiter this millennium along with Pete Carroll. I'm sure we all remember how dominant USC was under Carroll. It's not a coincidence that Alabama and USC dominated their conferences during the span that both coaches were there. College football is about recruiting first and foremost, and Saban is the best in the business.

Les is the second best recruiter in the conference and has assembled an all-star cast of recruiters for this cycle. He did himself and his team no favors by keeping Brick Haley around as long as he did, and the fact that Chavis was a lazy recruiter as the LB coach/D Coordinator certainly didn't help. We lack depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, and that's directly attributable to the position coaches. Ultimately, it falls on Les. He has done a great job of addressing those areas with the best DL recruiter (maybe overall recruiter) in Orgeron, and Steele is notorious for being a great recruiter as well. We have a great DL/LB haul so far this year, and we're projected to finish with more elite players and the consensus #1 class in the country.

The talent gap, and subsequent depth, is closing.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:30 am to
Notice that Vandy, Kentucky and Rutgers have supposeldy recruited better than Utah. Gives you a pretty good idea of two things; the rankings are often flawed by the biased opinions of the rankers and just how important coaching is to how a team performs. Utah still has a shot at being in the final 4 yet they only come in at number 50 by HS personnel ranks.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10457 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:31 am to
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Les is the second best recruiter in the conference and has assembled an all-star cast of recruiters for this cycle. He did himself and his team no favors by keeping Brick Haley around as long as he did, and the fact that Chavis was a lazy recruiter as the LB coach/D Coordinator certainly didn't help. We lack depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, and that's directly attributable to the position coaches. Ultimately, it falls on Les. He has done a great job of addressing those areas with the best DL recruiter (maybe overall recruiter) in Orgeron, and Steele is notorious for being a great recruiter as well. We have a great DL/LB haul so far this year, and we're projected to finish with more elite players and the consensus #1 class in the country.

The talent gap, and subsequent depth, is closing.


I tend to disagree here. He's been consistent in the rankings, but his classes have been ridiculously full of holes in major areas that I can't call him the 2nd best recruiter in the conference.

If you recruit 10 DBs that are 4 and 5 stars and then 1 DL that is a 4 star, and no LBers, you are a bad recruiter no matter what a 24/7, Rivals ranking puts you at. That is what LSU's issue has been.

It is why LSU has had QB issues over the last 7 years, it is why LSU has LBer and DL issues now. When you recruit like Les has, you have no room for error, yet he's missed a ton on guys like Garrett and others.

The difference isn't just getting 5* recruits, it's filling your roster out evenly each year. Miles again has failed miserably at that and has always been reactive rather than proactive there. It's poor organization/management/planning.
Posted by TexasAg13
San Antonio de Béxar
Member since Jul 2013
5815 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:40 am to
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Notice that Vandy, Kentucky and Rutgers have supposeldy recruited better than Utah. Gives you a pretty good idea of two things; the rankings are often flawed by the biased opinions of the rankers and just how important coaching is to how a team performs. Utah still has a shot at being in the final 4 yet they only come in at number 50 by HS personnel ranks.


Definitely a combo of both. The ability to develop talented athletes is invaluable. The rankings seem flawed to me in that they measure potential upside and raw athletic ability, as opposed to whether the recruit can play football or not.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10457 posts
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:42 am to
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Definitely a combo of both. The ability to develop talented athletes is invaluable. The rankings seem flawed to me in that they measure potential upside and raw athletic ability, as opposed to whether the recruit can play football or not.


That is why I laugh when LSU fans clamor about Les' recruiting being what keeps LSU afloat. It keeps it afloat to counter his poor coaching. That said, I think LSU isn't going to beat the Bama's of the world with Les' recruiting acumen. It's going to require a coach with a good handle of scheming and Les simply doesn't have that.
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