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re: Rudy Macklin after watching the Men's BBall team practice today...

Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:31 am to
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28381 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:31 am to
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What should be top on JJ's agenda for things to improve on is drawing up scoring plays for "inbounding the basketball" underneath the basket. It was painful watching us last year inbound the ball and throwing if 3/4 court to prevent the 5 second count.


Yes, that definitely has to improve. LSU shouldn't consistently have THAT much trouble inbounding the basketball.

More that anything else though, Jones and Co. have got to become better in just simple situational awareness.

1. How many times last season did small runs by opponents unnecessarily turn into game-breaking big runs simply because Jones refused to use a time out? Hell, I've seen Cal, Donovan and other call quick TOs after only a 4-5 point run just to prevent the opponent and crowd from getting fired up. College basketball has way too many timeouts anyway. Use them!

2. (And this is just as much on the players as well) But there were more than a few times last year where LSU had a comfortable lead, but continued to unnecessarily push the tempo and take quick shots late in games. The two UF games were the most glaring examples. I can vividly remember the crowd around me going absolutely nuts as LSU kept rushing, taking quick 3's and turning the ball over all while having a big lead with less than 5 minutes to go. UF was dead and LSU just kept letting them hang around by making unnecessary, dumb plays. After about 4 minutes of this Jones FINALLY told the team to slow down the tempo.

3. Have the team understand the situation. LSU struggled with Turnovers last year. I would bet over half were simply a result of trying to rush things things when they didn't have to. I love that they play with pace, but have some understanding of when to force things and when to hold back.

4. Watching them play against a zone defense was ugly. The ball stayed on the perimeter and never moved with pace. With the players LSU has, they shouldn't have THAT much trouble with the zone. Gray is quick enough to get inside anytime he wants. TQ can see over the top. Simmons (with his ability to pass and score) should wreck havoc by getting into the middle of the zone. Far to many times guys just threw passes with no apparent purpose. After throwing the pass they just sat and made themselves easy to defend.

5. Show some emotion, good and bad. As others have said, Jones has proven that he's good enough to give his guys the ability to beat really good teams (6-1 vs NCAAT teams last season). But you can see his energy level on the bench is higher when LSU plays those good teams. I watched the "Ice Dome" game again the other night. That was the most energy I've every seen Jones display. He was passionate, angry, encouraging, etc. He helped will his guys to the win that night. But you can't just do that against the good teams. If you act as if you don't give a shite against lesser teams, that's how you get beat by Mizzou, State, AU. No one is saying he has to be an a-hole like Bobby Knight, or a miserable dick like Frank Martin, but I don't know of any great coaches who just stare blanking on sidelines for long stretches on end.

LSU is not far off from being a really, really good program. The "x's and o's for the most part are fine. There just has to be much more emphasis on the little things that make all the difference between being someone like Billy Donovan (a consistent winner) vs. a Leonard Hamilton (a guy who's teams are good enough to pull of huge wins against anyone, but also undisciplined enough to lose to anyone as well)

Posted by 81Tiger
LSU Alumnus
Member since Sep 2009
6629 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:37 am to
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Rudy Macklin - LSU retired jersey Rudy Macklin



He's one of my all-time favorite players.


Posted by PinevilleTiger
Pineville, LA
Member since Sep 2005
6207 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:25 am to
Dale knew his limitations. He was a great recruiter and motivator. Sucked with X's and O's. So, he had great fundental assistants, Huckabee,ect. Johnny needs to kick back, recruit and motivate and hire a great technical coach. That's the Dale Brown model for success.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:30 am to
if only Coach Jones could shoot free throws for the team
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:33 am to
quote:

1. How many times last season did small runs by opponents unnecessarily turn into game-breaking big runs simply because Jones refused to use a time out? Hell, I've seen Cal, Donovan and other call quick TOs after only a 4-5 point run just to prevent the opponent and crowd from getting fired up. College basketball has way too many timeouts anyway. Use them!


Watching the Ice Dome game, I actually saw Jones do this in that game. I was like woa...

To me his big need for improvement is inbounding the ball (How stupid is it that we have to worry about that), player rotation (which will come with added depth), and timeouts. I think he gets there.
Posted by tigersnip
Member since Aug 2004
727 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:37 am to
I think they can practice 11 days before the Australian trip........they are not recruiting they are getting ready for the trip to play against the aust. pro teams.......
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57706 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:08 pm to
Last year's team struggled with the most rudimentary basketball fundamentals. I don't know who exactly you blame it on, but I blame Jones for not holding anyone accountable for it. It's pretty obvious he's a "player's coach" and let's the players get away with things that others don't.
Posted by AmazinGrace
LSU Fan, Georgetown Alumni
Member since Dec 2013
933 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:34 pm to
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um, we will be on probation if we are "practicing" today? You meant watching them play pick-up. The coaches are on the road recruiting right now. july is a live period

dude their playing in an Australian exhibition tour this summer. Schools that play exhibition tours have extra organized practice time.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8534 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:37 pm to
Then what's the excuse for losing to teams with far inferior talent?

My biggest concern this year was that we were making the same mistakes in March that we made in November, very frustrating. Not to mention that effort and focus, especially against inferior teams, does not seem to be there.

In my opinion, this is a make or break year for him. He has talent, depth, some upper class players mixed with younger talent (which is the norm in college basketball today). If we lose to 3-4 games to teams outside the top 6 in the conference and end up exiting during the first weekend of the NCAAT, I think there are red flags.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 12:42 pm
Posted by damnstrongfan
St. George, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2009
2085 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:43 pm to
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I've watched Dale coach many games, and I've seen Johnny coach 3 seasons. My take away from what I have seen so far is Dale showed more fire in many SINGLE games than Johnny has shown in all of his 3 seasons combined.


Amen to this!

I'm suggesting a nickname for JJ:

Johnny "Sleepy" Jones
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:44 pm to
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Johnny "Sleepy" Jones
nice 1 man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Team Vote
DFW
Member since Aug 2014
7730 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:47 pm to
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but JJ just doesn't have it.


he can't shoot the free throws for them
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25125 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:49 pm to
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Dale knew his limitations. He was a great recruiter and motivator. Sucked with X's and O's. So, he had great fundental assistants, Huckabee,ect. Johnny needs to kick back, recruit and motivate and hire a great technical coach. That's the Dale Brown model for success.


What's funny is that's what Trent Johnson did, and the results were garbage. You can't just hand the keys over to an assitant during a game and be aloof. Donny Guerinoni coached the players for Trent while he and Lynn and Brent had some weird huddle by themselves. That model is trash. You can't get kids to play for a puppet.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25125 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:52 pm to
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Last year's team struggled with the most rudimentary basketball fundamentals. I don't know who exactly you blame it on, but I blame Jones for not holding anyone accountable for it. It's pretty obvious he's a "player's coach" and let's the players get away with things that others don't.


Mickey and Martin turn the ball over on 4 consecutive plays against, let's choose the Alabama game--second half. Let's say Jones sits them. You make the call, who goes into the game? It sounds great, but you'd kill him for leaving whatever combination of Epps, Udo, Robinson, and Darcy out there to prove a point to the best players on the team. Alabama would very clearly have reduced our margin by half against that line. Now what?
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8534 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:37 pm to
This is a BS argument. Epps actually had good stretches on offense, defense struggled at times. With Mickey out on the road against Ark, Epps played well.

All it takes is a couple of possessions to send a message, we had guys capable of playing 2-3 possessions. Not to mention the fact that it helps build depth.

The 'we didn't have anybody else' is a lazy excuse. If you truly didn't have anybody else, then hold them accountable in practice, either way, DO SOMETHING.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 1:41 pm
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25125 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:07 pm to
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This is a BS argument. Epps actually had good stretches on offense, defense struggled at times. With Mickey out on the road against Ark, Epps played well.

All it takes is a couple of possessions to send a message, we had guys capable of playing 2-3 possessions. Not to mention the fact that it helps build depth.

The 'we didn't have anybody else' is a lazy excuse. If you truly didn't have anybody else, then hold them accountable in practice, either way, DO SOMETHING.



No, what is lazy is not realizing that you had other people, but it was suicide to take out Mickey and Martin at the same time to "prove a point." Go back and watch the LSU/Alabama game and tell me that it was a good idea to lift Mickey and Martin after Bama switched to the 1-3-1 and generated all of those turnovers.

Game Recap

Also, re: Epps, he had some good offense, but the guy killed our zone defense (which we had to play when he was in because he wasn't strong enough to play man at the 4). I have never seen a worse zone defender at LSU than Epps. Dude needs to get his head in the game.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 2:33 pm
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:18 pm to
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ellessuuuu


This year, barring injury, we should have actual depth. If we still play starters 40+ minutes in games then we can talk about some things, but he basically had to play some guys long minutes. If you had Martin and Mickey out at any given point last year, we wouldn't be able to get a single rebound. Our offense would become a three point shooting barage.

Coach has sat players before. Two years ago he sat JOB for 11 straight minutes because he was settling for mid range jumpers. He will do similar this season if he feels like he has backups that are prepared to play.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65988 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:44 pm to
You can change up and down votes, especially on mobile. Just refresh the page after your vote and click on the opposite arrow.. Then refresh and you'll see it take effect
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
107705 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:00 pm to
I wonder if Craig Victor will end up playing the center position mostly.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28381 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:15 pm to
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I have never seen a worse zone defender at LSU than Epps. Dude needs to get his head in the game.


Be careful. I got banned for saying I though Martin was one of the worst defenders I'd ever seen at LSU!!!!

But I agree, JJ couldn't afford to take Mickey and Martin out for very long to "send a message". Hell, Mickey missed one game (Ark) and Martin had to go all 40 minutes. My worry is that LSU might be in the same situation this year with Simmons and Victor.

Frontcourt depth and potentially frontcourt defense looks like this team's biggest weakness.
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