"Remember the 90's" people are actually making a case FOR firing

It does not appear that infrastructure within the administration is in place to hire a championship winning coach. In any big sport at LSU.

Been saying the same thing for a month now, keeping Miles will send us back to the 90's. Let's go out and at least try to avoid it with a good hire. The expectations have already fallen from "we compete for the West every year" to "we win 9-10 games and compete for the West every few years." Where are we at by the end of next season "as long as we win 8 and get to 10 every few years."

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Miles inherited a GOLDMIN

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See what Archer inherited and how fast things declined.

i'm almost positive that we kept Archer 4 years; the term of his contract. that was the way teams did it in those days. at least teams with class. notre dame kept jerry faust for his contract also and the whole world knew he was in way over his head.

this, of course, killed recruiting.

the game of college football was not played JUST FOR MONEY in those days. not all HC's had agents and their salary's didn't top out over a million bucks.

comparing those days to today is not that valuable. the most valuable things to note is that LSU always went cheap on hiring a HC and that often turned out to be penny wise and dollar foolish. lastly, the fans are HOSED today as far as the cost of college football.

in summary, keeping archer and letting his contract run out should not be compared to keeping Miles. your effort to do so will only be rewarded by those that support your final goal and you don't need to use these cheap tactics to convince them of anything Miles related.

90's, is that the time when there was no budget for coaching Staff's? Wasn't the 90's and before a time when the facilities at LSU were among the worst in the SEC? The 90's wasn't that at the time where there was little to no budget for recruiting? The 90's and before it was so bad we were busing the Football team to the practice fields!! Miles would not have recruited during this time as well as Hallman or Dinardo did!! 3 years top's Then fired

OP is sharing with us some of the worst logic so far.

Archer won the SEC in his second year, 1988, year of the Earthquake game. 1 SEC loss that year. His first season 1987 went 10-1-1 and finished in the top 5. His first recruiting class had 3 players that were drafted, Corey Raymond, Marc Boutte, and Todd Kinchen. Another, roger Hutchinson would have been a top 2 round pick, but he gave up football the year Archer got fired. Archers problem was based more on Attrition than recruiting. LSU would have been better off keeping that staff that included Pete Jenkins, jerry Sullivan and several other quality assistants versus trading out for Curley and his boys.

You are wrong for a couple of reason, but the whole we will go back to the 90's if we fire Les is also a stupid argument. We had bad coaches in the 90's, but the reasons we sucked are deeper. We had bad coaches because we were not willing to pay for better ones. We may have been able to get Mack Brown instead of DiNardo, but Dean was looking on a budget and had to settle for guys like Sullivan and DiNardo. Rumor also had that Mike Gottfried was interested when we hired Hallman, not how he would have done, but he was more accomplished than Curley, who (though no one knew it at the time) was simply riding Brett Favre.

As for Letting Archer go sooner, this is just 20/20 hindsight. First off he was only here for 4 years. His first year, 1987 LSU went 10-1-1 and finished #5. That is the highest final ranking for LSU between 1961 when LSU finished #4 and 2003. Let that sink in for a minute. From 1962-2002, that's 40 years, 1987 was the highest LSU finished a season. His 2nd year LSU won the SEC, at the time it was the 7th SEC title for LSU. The team went 8-4, now people view that as an "unacceptable" record. But look at the OOC that year. We played 7 SEC games, there was no "rent a wins". Tulane was the closest to that, they were still the traditional state rival. The other 3 were Texas A&M, Ohio State and Miami. We lost the bowl to Syracuse who went undefeated and finished #4 they year before. The other losses were @Florida (with Emmitt Smith) @Ohio State (those were back to back BTW) and to Miami. The next year we went 4-7, the next year 5-6 and he was fired. So do tell Doc Brown, when we were supposed to fire Archer? Even if you thought he never should have been hired, you can not fire a guy with that record after just 1 bad season. Archer left systemic problems that were more apparent after the fact. Recruiting was not nearly as sophisticated as today where everyone knows if you have a great class or not.

FTR : I was all on board with moving Les out this year. If we don't at least make the SEC CG next year, i really hope he's gone. But what really sets programs back is not keeping coaches too long. It is making bad hires to replace ones that do leave or are fired and replacing coaches every 4-5 years.

fricking go the frick away, you fricking incorrigible fricks.