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re: Recommend a New Offensive Scheme
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:46 pm to KG5989
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:46 pm to KG5989
quote:Exactly. So, if our o-line blocks well, we don't fumble, and the receivers catch the ball, is anyone complaining about our offensive scheme?
It doesnt matter what you run if the players dont make the plays.
quote:I didn't realize asking legit questions was being a dbag. My apologies.
Dont have to be a dbag about it.
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Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:46 pm to Devious
Didn't Les say LSU needed to execute before adding anything new?
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:48 pm to Devious
If the OL and WRs were executing and doing their job no sane person would be bitching about the playcalling or scheme.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:56 pm to Devious
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Exactly. So, if our o-line blocks well, we don't fumble, and the receivers catch the ball, is anyone complaining about our offensive scheme?
Actually, yes some people would still be complaining about our offense even if we do make those plays. We still run a very simple, elementary school offense even if we make the plays. Even if our players make the plays, id still want to see some of the things I said because I think it would help us and we would be a better team.
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I didn't realize asking legit questions was being a dbag. My apologies.
Ha thats some BS. Every opinion that people have given you shot them down by saying if WRs catch the ball and if the OL blocks, etc, and acting like a bitch. If we make those plays and our WRs dont have the drops, I would still like to see us open it up a bit more and spread it out because that would help us become a better all around team.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:59 pm to UGATiger26
That was some funny but true shite
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:03 pm to KG5989
quote:Is it not a fact our offense would be more effective if we executed better? I'm asking for a scheme that compensates for our inability to hold on to the ball, maintain blocks, and catch the football. Without those fundamentals, no offense can be effective. That is a fact.
Every opinion that people have given you shot them down by saying if WRs catch the ball and if the OL blocks, etc, and acting like a bitch.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:12 pm to Devious
That is a fact. But you were complaining earlier about how 2 people say execute better and the rest just spew bullshite, so I gave you a new offensive scheme that I think would work with our players. If the players dont catch the ball and the OL dont block, it doesnt matter what we run. But, if we execute the offense we run now to the T and execute the offense id like to see, i think it would help us become a better all around team. Obviously, there are no offensive scheme that you can run when you have shite blocking and WR dropping the ball and hope to be successful so I was thinking if we execute both to the T, which would be better. Thats all I was doing.
So whats the point of this thread if nobody can give you an offense that compensates for that crap? Its a no winner for everybody, and I just gave my input based on if both were executed perfectly, which would help us be a better team. And since its a no winner you bash everything people say...
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I'm asking for a scheme that compensates for our inability to hold on to the ball, maintain blocks, and catch the football. Without those fundamentals, no offense can be effective. That is a fact.
So whats the point of this thread if nobody can give you an offense that compensates for that crap? Its a no winner for everybody, and I just gave my input based on if both were executed perfectly, which would help us be a better team. And since its a no winner you bash everything people say...
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:17 pm to KG5989
quote:I wasn't complaining - only pointing out that most people don't have an answer.
But you were complaining earlier about how 2 people say execute better and the rest just spew bullshite
quote:This is the point of the thread. Without blocking, catching the ball, and taking care of the football, there is no offensive scheme that will be successful...which means it's not the scheme, it's the execution. Players have to execute.
Obviously, there are no offensive scheme that you can run when you have shite blocking and WR dropping the ball and hope to be successful
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:26 pm to Devious
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Players have to execute.
Agreed with that. But, the offense i recommended i based it off of if it was executed, and the WRs caught the ball, and the OL made there blocks. Do you think that the lack of execution might come from the other team knowing what we are going to do? Its hard to block someone when they know its a run and where its going. Thats the only excuse i have for the OL, and there is 0 excuses for our WR drops and fumbles. But when the other team has 8-9 in the box, its hard to run a toss dive. Which is why i gave you my input on spreading it out and causing the opponents defense to spread out. And on some of those pass plays where they got pressure I remember seeing the RB/FB take the wrong guy and it left someone unblocked.
So this thread has no answer? Should of just said no matter what we call if theres no execution it doesnt matter the scheme instead of Recommend a new offensive scheme. I wouldnt of wasted 10 minutes of my team recommending you the O I think would help us.
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:32 pm to KG5989
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Spread it out with 4 WRs and a RB in the backfield.
do this with variations of 1 or 2 backs, including Shep
do a lot of read option, using a lot odf misdirection, but with Mett trowing instead of running, Mett should never try to run, on or off the field.
I like the idea of getting backs into the routs after chipping the DT.
We should study to find out the most likely time for a back side corner blitz and how to recognize it, so an audilble can be called when it is recognized. That blitz is a risk and can hurt the D when not successful, LSU needs to learn how to make them pay.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:38 pm to Devious
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We have a QB that's started 2 SEC games. Our offensive line is patchwork at best. Wide receivers can't catch the ball consistently. We're not taking care of the football.
I sense you are happy with our offensive performance and feel the reasons above make the offensive showing in the last few weeks perfectly acceptable?
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What type of offensive scheme would work under these conditions?
Do other teams give up all hope of moving the ball under the same conditions?
Are we just suppose to be satisfied with running the ball into 8-9 man fronts and punt?
There is no reason we can't go shotgun and spread the defense out with a 3 wr formation. We can still hand the ball off to a back and the numbers allow for more potential for success. Quick passes in the flats. We don't have to change our identity of being a power running team but we can be smarter and counter what defenses are trying to do to us.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:40 pm to KG5989
quote:Possibly, but for the most part, we didn't have any trouble last year.
Do you think that the lack of execution might come from the other team knowing what we are going to do?
quote:I'm not disagreeing with you. My concern, though, lies in the execution of any scheme we choose to run. We can spread a defense all day, but if the RB blocks the wrong defender, WRs drop quick passes, or the o-line gets shoved back, we're no better off.
But when the other team has 8-9 in the box, its hard to run a toss dive. Which is why i gave you my input on spreading it out and causing the opponents defense to spread out.
I'm not satisfied with our offensive production by any means, but it's difficult for me to fault the scheme when we're making so many mistakes.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:42 pm to Devious
bring back the 2 qbs system.
and actually run more 4-5 wide receiver formations. they do catch it eventually.
and actually run more 4-5 wide receiver formations. they do catch it eventually.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 2:54 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Not at all. The offense is painful to watch. There is no doubt we need to do something, but I have little faith the results would be any different. If we can't execute what we've practiced for months, there's no reason to believe we would execute something thrown in on the fly.
I sense you are happy with our offensive performance and feel the reasons above make the offensive showing in the last few weeks perfectly acceptable?
Posted on 10/8/12 at 3:40 pm to KG5989
Goddamn, KG5989, I like that. It's refreshing to have input from someone who is willing to suggest alternatives to the piss poor offensive schemes drawn up by the OC's. We all know Les is stubborn and is intent in force feeding us that same vanilla shite every game. Why not show the opposition some new wrinkles. I bet opposing coaches have LSU's offensive plan written on one page of paper. shite naw, make that a post-it note.
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/8/12 at 3:43 pm to Devious
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If we can't execute what we've practiced for months, there's no reason to believe we would execute something thrown in on the fly.
I really hope what we are seeing isn't the only thing we have practiced since spring.
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 10/8/12 at 3:50 pm to KG5989
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1 MLB with 4 DL is in front of you. Thats it
you are assuming they are in a cover 2 and the two safeties are playing back.
If we cannot beat their DB's in straight up man without safety help in coverage...they will roll those two guys into the box to add pressure to stopping the run.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 3:53 pm to oleskuledude
quote:
Goddamn, KG5989, I like that. It's refreshing to have input from someone who is willing to suggest alternatives to the piss poor offensive schemes drawn up by the OC's. We all know Les is stubborn and is intent in force feeding us that same vanilla shite every game. Why not show the opposition some new wrinkles. I bet opposing coaches have LSU's offensive plan written on one page of paper. shite naw, make that a post-it note.
he is basically explaining the run n shoot offense or a variant. we could run a plethora of offenses that mix things up......but we do not. I also like a spread passing game out of the gun with lots of emphasis on running it out of 3 and 4 wide sets.
we ran lots of sets with crowton but JJ had major problems with so many.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 3:56 pm to Devious
Veer, spread option, spread pass, Wing T, Notre Dame box, west coast offense, Run N shoot, pro style, flexbone, wishbone, and on and on and on.........
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 10/8/12 at 3:58 pm to Fat Bastard
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Veer,
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Wing T,
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wishbone
Will never work under Les...too many passes
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