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re: Question Related to LSU ULL Baseball Game
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:16 pm to AstroTiger
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:16 pm to AstroTiger
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I'm obsessive about baseball rules and scoring, so I'm pretty pissed at myself that I didn't know this rule
Eh, it's obscure. Give yourself the benefit of the doubt
Yeah I looked through the MLB book too and didn't see anything definitive. Definitely keep us posted if you hear anything back.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:19 pm to PurpleAndGold86
It's baseball, man. Obscurities are what separates the casual fan from a guy who reads the rule book for fun like myself
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:27 pm to AstroTiger
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reads the rule book for fun
Haha yikes.
It really is interesting though that we can always have these discussions. Shoot last week it was that crazy play with the catcher in the SLU game. It's crazy how often these obscurities come to fruition.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:50 pm to AstroTiger
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I'm obsessive about baseball rules and scoring
I've got a book you need to read if you haven't read it already. Forget exact title but it's crazy things that have actually happened in a game and the correct rule interpretation. Example a batted ball is hit in the air and strikes the pitching rubber then comes to rest in foul territory between home plate and 1st or 3rd base, foul or fair? The ball does not make contact with a player.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:55 pm to TorNation
Sounds like a great book. Try to think of the title and let me know 
I have a book called "the unwritten rules of baseball" which is more of an in-good-fun book that I enjoyed.
The answer is foul by the way. Pitching rubber is simply part of the field and the ball must either make contact or go past of the bases to be fair, or be touched by a player of course.
I have a book called "the unwritten rules of baseball" which is more of an in-good-fun book that I enjoyed. The answer is foul by the way. Pitching rubber is simply part of the field and the ball must either make contact or go past of the bases to be fair, or be touched by a player of course.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 4:57 pm to AstroTiger
Speaking of interesting situations one came up in one of the games last weekend at the Box not involving LSU. I kind of knew this rule but never saw it happen this way.
Runner on 1st. 3-1 count on the hitter. Third base umpire calls a balk. But then he immediately asks the home plate umpire if that pitch was ball 4. When the home plate umpire said that it was the batter was awarded first and balk was nullified.
Runner on 1st. 3-1 count on the hitter. Third base umpire calls a balk. But then he immediately asks the home plate umpire if that pitch was ball 4. When the home plate umpire said that it was the batter was awarded first and balk was nullified.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:04 pm to AstroTiger
I'm trying to remember the last time I saw a MLB game shortened due to weather. They usually either wait it out, or resume it at a later date.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:09 pm to TigerCub
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Runner on 1st. 3-1 count on the hitter. Third base umpire calls a balk. But then he immediately asks the home plate umpire if that pitch was ball 4. When the home plate umpire said that it was the batter was awarded first and balk was nullified.
Are you sure this is correct? I think the ball is dead when the umpire calls a balk. If the batter would have hit a double off the wall I don't think they would let the play stand. Im not sure its one of those plays where you can elect to take the outcome of the play.
But, to add my own interesting situation to the thread, I remember watching an LSU game last year where this almost occurred. Runner on 1st less than 2 outs. Fly ball is hit to deep left field. Runner on first runs to second base, touches the base and waits there to see if the left fielder is going to catch it. LF catches the ball and tries to double up the runner. Throw is high and the ball almost goes into the stands. The question is, what base do you award the runner?
The rule says two bases from the last legally occupied base at the time of the throw. At the time of the throw the last legally occupied base is second right? So that runner gets home? Or does he not legally occupy second base until he goes back and touches first or until the next legal pitch is thrown? I still don't know the answer to this.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:12 pm to UpToPar
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Are you sure this is correct? I think the ball is dead when the umpire calls a balk. If the batter would have hit a double off the wall I don't think they would let the play stand. Im not sure its one of those plays where you can elect to take the outcome of the play.
If the balk is called before the pitch is delivered the. The play is dead. If the pitch is delivered on a balk and the batter makes contact, the hitting team is allowed to choose between accepting the outcome of the play or the balk.
So yes if a balk is called and you double off the wall, you can take the double
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:13 pm to UpToPar
If the pitcher is already in the act of delivery and continues with the pitch, it does not automatically become a dead ball. The double would be awarded.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:14 pm to UpToPar
I think you can take the outcome of the play no matter what as long as the pitch is delivered.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:14 pm to AstroTiger
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If the pitcher is already in the act of delivery and continues with the pitch, it does not automatically become a dead ball. The double would be awarded.
Did not know this.
Read my last post that I edited for another interesting scenario.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:19 pm to UpToPar
If I'm understanding your scenario correctly, once the runner goes back toward first, he has legally "untouched" second and then would have to achieve that base once again. A two base penalty would award him 3rd base.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:23 pm to AstroTiger
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If I'm understanding your scenario correctly, once the runner goes back toward first, he has legally "untouched" second and then would have to achieve that base once again. A two base penalty would award him 3rd base.
Once he is awarded 3b does he have to go back and touch first before touching second again? What if he initially runs passed second base, and then after the ball is caught, misses second when he is returning to first?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:24 pm to UpToPar
He hasn't legally occupied 2nd yet, so he would get 3rd
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:28 pm to SaintCajun
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He hasn't legally occupied 2nd yet, so he would get 3rd
At what point has he legally occupied second? Say the ball does not go out of play but the defense does not tag him or first base and the runner remains at second. Lets also pretend that there was another runner who is now at third. Before the next legal pitch is thrown the pitcher picks off to third and air mails it into the stands. Is the runner on second awarded home or is he only awarded third since he has not legally occupied second base yet?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:36 pm to UpToPar
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At what point has he legally occupied second?
When he goes back and tags up at first
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Say the ball does not go out of play but the defense does not tag him or first base and the runner remains at second. Lets also pretend that there was another runner who is now at third. Before the next legal pitch is thrown the pitcher picks off to third and air mails it into the stands. Is the runner on second awarded home or is he only awarded third since he has not legally occupied second base yet?
In this highly unlikely scenario where nobody on the defensive team is paying attention that the runner did not tag up, once the pitcher picks to 3rd the runner is now legally on 2nd. If the ball goes into the stands, all runners advance one base
Runners advance two bases on a ball thrown out of play from the outfield.
Runners advance one base on a ball thrown out of play from the infield.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:41 pm to SaintCajun
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once the pitcher picks to 3rd the runner is now legally on 2nd
I thought the runner does not legally occupy second unless he tags up, or the next legal pitch is thrown. Maybe I'm wrong, because it doesn't seem as though the pitcher should be able to pick off to third, then appeal the runner on second.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:41 pm to UpToPar
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Throw is high and the ball almost goes into the stands. The question is, what base do you award the runner?
Why would you award the runner any base if the ball never left the field of play?
Just going from your "almost went into the stands". The ball either went into the stands or it didn't.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 5:44 pm to UpToPar
The next play must be the appeal. Any game action other than the appeal and the runner becomes legal at the base, this includes a pitch, a pickoff, a balk etc.
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