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Question for older Tiger fans: When did freshmen start playing for LSU?

Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:41 am
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:41 am
The latest iteration of the “LSU’s greatest running back” thread got me wondering about the freshman team. It’s hard to compare athletes from different generations for many reasons – and one big one is career stats aren’t comparable for guys that only had three years of eligibility.

I have very faint memories of references to the freshman team from the mid-70s. If I remember correctly the freshmen would play on Friday, sometimes (or usually?) at the visiting varsity team’s venue.

Can any of you old-timers shed some light on the freshman football team? When did it exist? Did they play a full schedule (complementing the varsity sked)? Were the games worth watching?
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:44 am to
Not old enough to remember that but from what I gather it resembled the "jv" team in high school. Still did everything the varsity did but just played a day early
Posted by Pietra
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:50 am to
The freshmen were part of the varsity squad in football – no separate games or practices – just cannon fodder.

In basketball they had a separate freshman team that played before the varsity games. People would pack the Cow Place to watch the Pistol, then empty the place when the varsity played.
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:54 am to
So the references to freshman games are for basketball only?
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:56 am to
1971
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:56 am to
quote:

So the references to freshman games are for basketball only?


no


freshman weren't allowed to play any sport until the mid 70's I think


could be wrong of course but the first freshman I remember having a big impact was early 80's
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:56 am to
1980 or 81, I believe. I know they weren't eligible for the 79 season, because Alan Risher played on the Freshman team.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 10:59 am to

quote:

NCAA Division One Freshmen could play varsity ball until 1954. The NCAA then changed the rules and freshman were ineligible to play. The rule was rescinded in 1973.


Read more: LINK


during the years when freshmen could not play varsity ball, they played four (4) games. I remember when UK freshmen football beat UTk freshmen, at Lexington. I actually went to all the UK football games, for a while there. I suppose I was in law school.
Mainly I remember the beer and women.
This post was edited on 2/16/12 at 11:02 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:01 am to
Hmm, I guess I was wrong, then. LSU did have a freshman team in the late seventies, early eighties, though.
Posted by Big Ragoo
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:26 am to
No they did not. You are mistaken.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:32 am to
quote:

No they did not. You are mistaken.


I'm not mistaken about them having a freshman team in 79. A friend of mine was on the Ole Miss freshman team and they played the LSU freshmen in Bernie Moore stadium on a weekday afternoon. Risher was the QB for LSU. I was there and saw it with my own eyes. Freshmen may have been eligible at that time, but there was also a freshman team.
Posted by Beltway Bengal
Potomac, Maryland
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:34 am to
In the 60's and early 70's, many fans were intrigued by the football fortunes of the "Baby Bengals."

My freshman year at LSU, a number of highly regarded freshman played on the team. Terry Robiskie and Robert Dow are two that I remember.

I remember quite well driving home from Baton Rouge with a friend the morning after our loss to Alabama on Thanksgiving night feeling that the "next three years are going to be special" "we'll see championships before we leave school" in large part because of the performance that year of the freshmen.

Mike Miley left for the baseball draft, the change of offensive system to the veer produced mixed results, and we graduated in '77 remembering the "good ole days" that had seemingly ended in 1973.
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
Member since Mar 2007
6608 posts
Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:44 am to
quote:

I'm not mistaken about them having a freshman team in 79. A friend of mine was on the Ole Miss freshman team and they played the LSU freshmen in Bernie Moore stadium on a weekday afternoon. Risher was the QB for LSU. I was there and saw it with my own eyes. Freshmen may have been eligible at that time, but there was also a freshman team.
This is the kind of stuff I want to get to the bottom of.

I know the NCAA allowed freshmen to play in 71 or 72 (see previous post), but that didn't mean schools had to abolish their established practices.

I'm curious about the existence and exploits of LSU's freshman football team, and when it ceased to exist.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 11:51 am to
there were indeed bona fide "freshman teams" that tended to play an abbreivated schedule -- maybe 5 or six games a year. A college such as LSU would sometimes play games against a JC or military school--not a lot of travel.

The current freshman eligibility rules came into play in the fall of 1972. LSU continued to have "JV" football games --played at Bernie Moore-- until the mid 1980's.

Because of WWII and Korea, the NCAA did allow freshman to play varsity in the 1940's and until the late 1950's. But there was a weird rule that in a player's senior year he couldn't participate in post season play which caused many teams to pass on bowl games or the NCAA tournament in basketball or baseball which then led to freshmen being ineligible for varsity play.

LSU's freshman basketball team would play a game before the varsity,typically against the varsity's opponent particularly if it was an SEC game.
Posted by Big Ragoo
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2008
192 posts
Posted on 2/16/12 at 12:57 pm to
Hmmm, i recall that 79 team very well. The freshman must've played some games if you say you were there. I never knew about those games. Interesting
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:07 pm to
I remember going to an LSU freshman game in 77 or 78 against Tulane in NO, so it had to be a bit after that when dropped the freshman teams.
Posted by TupeloTiger
Tupelo,Ms.[via Bastrop,La.]
Member since Jul 2004
4340 posts
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:10 pm to
I do remember about '69 that Pete Maravich could not play on the varsity team and played on a freshman team first at the old Cow Palace south campus area. The varsity played 2nd. I remember it being packed with fans for the freshman game and then many leaving for the varsity. Embarrassing at the time. I remember Apple Sanders playing on the varsity. Pete played with him the next year and two more. There was no leaving early for the pros then. Think Freshmen were allowed to play about '71 to '73 .
Posted by Beltway Bengal
Potomac, Maryland
Member since Feb 2004
519 posts
Posted on 2/16/12 at 1:43 pm to
Tupelo,

I'm pretty sure that Apple Sanders and Fig Newton were both a couple of years behind Pete. So they would not have been on the varsity while Pete was playing freshman ball. What you noted about people attending the jv game and then leaving is true, I believe.
Posted by EastTexasTiger
Lufkin, Tx.
Member since Feb 2007
3824 posts
Posted on 2/16/12 at 2:24 pm to
Charles Alexander played as a freshman
Posted by 81Tiger
LSU Alumnus
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

Can any of you old-timers shed some light on the freshman football team?
I remember watching an LSU-Tulane freshman game at Bernie Moore in 1978 or 1979.

Depressing for a couple of reasons, I guess. I was there so I qualify as an old-timer. Also, LSU - Tulane was still a rivalry back then.
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