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Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:10 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Time to bench all of our running backs, I guess.
Colt McCoy - Tex; #13 offense
Tim Tebow - Fla; #33 offense
Greg McElroy - Bama; #36 offense
Jevan Stead - Miss; #72 offense
Jordan Jefferson - LSU; #102 offense
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:12 pm to bmy
quote:
it's our offensive line that is lackluster
Yes it is. No argument there.
THe playcalling is terrible too. CS up the middle out of the shotgun is fricking stupid.
quote:
not our QB.
If he doesn't have accuracy past 15 yds or can't hit a moving target, then the D stacks the box exacerbating the problems of the OL. That and CS being slower than Hester doesn't help things.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:12 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
Since you love stats so much, love these Colt McCoy - Tex; #13 offense Tim Tebow - Fla; #33 offense Greg McElroy - Bama; #36 offense Jevan Stead - Miss; #72 offense Jordan Jefferson - LSU; #102 offense
Some of you guys always try to find a way to see the glass half empty. It must suck being a pessimist everyday.
This post was edited on 9/23/09 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:20 pm to Moustache
quote:
Yes it is. No argument there.
THe playcalling is terrible too. CS up the middle out of the shotgun is fricking stupid.
Seriously. If we're going to run out of the gun at least have KW in there. Zone-read just never struck me as a power formation
I suppose it could be with the right scheme..This post was edited on 9/23/09 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:21 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
Colt McCoy - Tex; #13 offense
Tim Tebow - Fla; #33 offense
Greg McElroy - Bama; #36 offense
Jevan Stead - Miss; #72 offense
Jordan Jefferson - LSU; #102 offense
Glad you and Mustache were able to attend. Now since the QB numbers are very close, there must be something else affecting the offensive team ratings. What ya think? Wouldn't QB efficiency rating be a better indicator of the QBs performances?
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:27 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
Colt McCoy - Tex; #13 offense
Tim Tebow - Fla; #33 offense
Greg McElroy - Bama; #36 offense
Jevan Stead - Miss; #72 offense
Jordan Jefferson - LSU; #102 offense
Defense wins championships. Offense can lose them (see last year).
What we needed last year was better tackling on offense.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:29 pm to justustm2
quote:
Wouldn't QB efficiency rating be a better indicator of the QBs performances?
So exactly how many 6.5 yd passes do you think Tebow, Snead, McCoy, etc. have attempted?
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:31 pm to bmy
Tebow and McCoy have played a total of about 7 quarters in 3 games whereas Jefferson has played 12. Put 5 more quarters under those 2 and see the numbers. This analysis is a joke.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:32 pm to justustm2
IMO, once we play a game (probably Georgia) that back and forth, and considered a respectable opponent by the Rant, and JJ can bring the team back from a small deficit in the 2nd half, people will be alot more comfortable with him
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:36 pm to RobbBobb
I agree with the OP that we as fans should support JJ. However, he has been average at best this year, which is understandable due to the fact that he is young, inexperienced and learning the position.
These are the stats posted above:
QB Com/Att Com % Yards Yds/A TD Int.
Jordan Jefferson - So 47-73 64% 475 10.1 5 1
Tim Tebow - Sr 39-59 67% 540 13.9 5 1
Colt McCoy - Sr 75-110 68% 859 11.5 6 4
Greg McElroy - Jr 46-69 67% 647 14.1 4 1
Jevan Stead - Jr 28-50 56% 384 13.7 5 2
I believe another statistic used to measure QB play is instructive. . .
The Importance of Passing Yards Per Attempt
LINK /
Another article:
LINK
"A player with a low average yards-per-attempt typically is completing a low number of passes, and if that’s not the case, it means he is connecting on passes of five yards or less, such as quick outs, slants, screens, and swings, which are easy passes for any quarterback to make.
Eventually, that quarterback will have to throw down-field or the defense will start sitting on the short routes in order to create turnovers."
Passing Yards per Passing Attempt
McElroy (AL) 9.38
Tebow (FL) 9.15
McCoy (TX) 7.81
Snead (Miss) 7.68 (only played 2 games)
Jefferson (LSU) 6.50
In my opinion, the good SEC defenses will start loading the box and sitting on short routes in order to create turnovers.
These are the stats posted above:
QB Com/Att Com % Yards Yds/A TD Int.
Jordan Jefferson - So 47-73 64% 475 10.1 5 1
Tim Tebow - Sr 39-59 67% 540 13.9 5 1
Colt McCoy - Sr 75-110 68% 859 11.5 6 4
Greg McElroy - Jr 46-69 67% 647 14.1 4 1
Jevan Stead - Jr 28-50 56% 384 13.7 5 2
I believe another statistic used to measure QB play is instructive. . .
The Importance of Passing Yards Per Attempt
LINK /
Another article:
LINK
"A player with a low average yards-per-attempt typically is completing a low number of passes, and if that’s not the case, it means he is connecting on passes of five yards or less, such as quick outs, slants, screens, and swings, which are easy passes for any quarterback to make.
Eventually, that quarterback will have to throw down-field or the defense will start sitting on the short routes in order to create turnovers."
Passing Yards per Passing Attempt
McElroy (AL) 9.38
Tebow (FL) 9.15
McCoy (TX) 7.81
Snead (Miss) 7.68 (only played 2 games)
Jefferson (LSU) 6.50
In my opinion, the good SEC defenses will start loading the box and sitting on short routes in order to create turnovers.
This post was edited on 9/23/09 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:44 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
So exactly how many 6.5 yd passes do you think Tebow, Snead, McCoy, etc. have attempted?
And who pray tell is throwing 6.5 yd per pass? JJ averages 10.1 yards per pass. As a comparison Colt McCoy averages 11.45. So your argument is that Colt's extra 1.45 yards per pass translates into a much better team offensive rating?
I would bet Tebow in particular has thrown many 6.5 yard passes to the scat backs he has. It is according to the offensive system the QB plays under. The QB's job is to throw the pass the system calls for. Oh yeah, and to win games, not turn the ball offer or put his team in bad situations. JJ: Check, Check, and Check!
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:51 pm to justustm2
quote:
And who pray tell is throwing 6.5 yd per pass? JJ averages 10.1 yards per pass
Reading is fundamental
JJ avgs 6.5 yds per pass, 10.1 per completion. See the difference? Notice how I used the word "attempted" in my post? An attempt is not a completion, now is it?
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:10 pm to RobbBobb
JJ's average passing yards per attempt (6.5) is significantly below the other QBs being compared to JJ in this thread. The statistic suggests that he is either not throwing the ball downfield or is not completing many passes to wide receivers (or tight ends) on deep routes. I believe this will become a real problem against the better defenses JJ will face later in the season. If UL-Laf and Vanderbilt are having success stopping our offense by taking away the run and short routes, there should be cause for concern when we play teams like UF, AL and Miss.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:12 pm to RobbBobb
So your argument is that average per pass is more inportant that average per completion, TD's, Ints, and Record?
By the way your boy's average per attempt is 5.5 this year. Last year it was 6.9, .04 more than JJ's this year. I will bet right now that JJ's will be higher at the end of the year than JL's was lat year (6.9). What's your thoughts?
By the way your boy's average per attempt is 5.5 this year. Last year it was 6.9, .04 more than JJ's this year. I will bet right now that JJ's will be higher at the end of the year than JL's was lat year (6.9). What's your thoughts?
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:20 pm to justustm2
How many offenses ahead of lsu statistically have losing records? Check out our stats from uga.last year.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:22 pm to justustm2
quote:
your thoughts?
JLees avg was against Bama, Fl, GA, Aub,
JJs avg was against Wash, VAndy, ULL
What do you think my thoughts are, that JJs avg will go up as the teams get better?
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:23 pm to justustm2
My post is not intended to suggest that yards per attempt is a better indicator of QB success than any other statistic used to evaluate QBs.
JJ's yards per attempt (and yards per completion) is consistent with the observations I have read on this board that he is having difficulty completing passes vertically. If this is, in fact, a weakness of JJ, I believe the better defenses will be able to expose it and create turnovers.
I will support JJ win or lose. I think he should be the starting QB. And, I am confident JJ will improve as he gets more experience. After all, he has only had 5 starts.
JJ's yards per attempt (and yards per completion) is consistent with the observations I have read on this board that he is having difficulty completing passes vertically. If this is, in fact, a weakness of JJ, I believe the better defenses will be able to expose it and create turnovers.
I will support JJ win or lose. I think he should be the starting QB. And, I am confident JJ will improve as he gets more experience. After all, he has only had 5 starts.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:30 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
What do you think my thoughts are, that JJs avg will go up as the teams get better?
Or as he gains more experience and the offensive playcalling is not still in shell shock from what happended last year.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:47 pm to TigerfFaithful
Do you believe JJ cannot complete passes vertically?
Do you believe JJ will not improve over the course of they year, game by game?
Do you believe JL improved last year?
Do you believe if you micro-analyze any QB you can find a negative relating to that QB? It just so happens that JJ's is the claim he cannot complete "vertical passes". What else you got?
My point is if that is all you got, then I will take no turnovers, TD's, running ability, calm under pressure, continuing improvement and wins and suffer the low yards per attempt. Wasn't the famous West Coast offense based on short passes. Doesn't that get the ball out of the hands of the QB sooner? Wouldn't that be necessary if the pressure comes quickly?
Some are predicting the SEC defenses will (fill in the blank). Well we shall see. We know what happened last year. That is a fact. We can only speculate what will happen this year. JJ has a strong arm. He has not been scattershooting the ball all over the place. He has overthrown a feww long passes and underthrown a couple. Nothing to cause the uproar. The main reason his YPA is low is the type passes he has thrown not his inability to throw longer passes.
Do you believe JJ will not improve over the course of they year, game by game?
Do you believe JL improved last year?
Do you believe if you micro-analyze any QB you can find a negative relating to that QB? It just so happens that JJ's is the claim he cannot complete "vertical passes". What else you got?
My point is if that is all you got, then I will take no turnovers, TD's, running ability, calm under pressure, continuing improvement and wins and suffer the low yards per attempt. Wasn't the famous West Coast offense based on short passes. Doesn't that get the ball out of the hands of the QB sooner? Wouldn't that be necessary if the pressure comes quickly?
Some are predicting the SEC defenses will (fill in the blank). Well we shall see. We know what happened last year. That is a fact. We can only speculate what will happen this year. JJ has a strong arm. He has not been scattershooting the ball all over the place. He has overthrown a feww long passes and underthrown a couple. Nothing to cause the uproar. The main reason his YPA is low is the type passes he has thrown not his inability to throw longer passes.
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