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QB debate should center around one thing: Offensive Production
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:34 pm
I went back to each game, counted the number of series that each QB was under center, and the results. QBs were not given credit for defensive or special teams points. I also did not count series where LSU was running out the clock at the end of a half. Here are the facts:
Lee
App St – 4 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
No. Tex – 3 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Auburn – 8 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 23 points
Miss St – 9 series, 4 TDs, 2 FGs = 34 points
Fla - 10 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
So. Car - 8 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 24 points
Ga - 12 series, 5 TDs, 1 FG = 38 points
Tulane - 8 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
Bama - 13 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
Troy - 13 series, 5 TDs, 2 FGs = 40 points
Ole Miss - 5 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Aub - 1 series, = 0 points
Tul - 1 series, 1 TD = 7 points
Bama - 4 series, 1 TD = 7 points
La Tech - 8 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 24 points
Jefferson
No. Tex – 1 series, = 0 points
Tulane - 1 series, 1 TD = 7 points
Troy - 4 series, = 0 points
Ole Miss - 6 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Ark - 13 series, 3 TDs, 3 FGs = 30 points
Ga Tech - 11 series, 5 TDs, 1 FG = 38 points
Wash - 9 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 24 points
Vandy - 11 series, 2 TDs, 3 FGs = 23 points
ULL - 8 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 17 points
Miss St - 13 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 17 points
Ga - 11 series, 2 TDs, 2 FGs = 20 points
Fla – 8 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Aub - 10 series, 4 TDs, 1 FG = 31 points
Tul - 7 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
Bama - 6 series, 1 TD = 7 points
Ole Miss - 11 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 16 points
Ark - 9 series, 2 TDs, 3 FGs = 23 points
Penn St - 13 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 17 points
Totals:
Lee -- 105 series, 48 scores, 286 points; 2.72 points per series, scored on 46% of drives
JJ -- 152 series, 52 scores, 297 points; 1.95 points per series, scored on 34% of drives
That scoring % is quite a difference. I was also stunned that despite having 5 more starts, JJ only has Lee by 11 points. One would think Miles and Crowton have stats people that could produce these same numbers.
Lee
App St – 4 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
No. Tex – 3 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Auburn – 8 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 23 points
Miss St – 9 series, 4 TDs, 2 FGs = 34 points
Fla - 10 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
So. Car - 8 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 24 points
Ga - 12 series, 5 TDs, 1 FG = 38 points
Tulane - 8 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
Bama - 13 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
Troy - 13 series, 5 TDs, 2 FGs = 40 points
Ole Miss - 5 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Aub - 1 series, = 0 points
Tul - 1 series, 1 TD = 7 points
Bama - 4 series, 1 TD = 7 points
La Tech - 8 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 24 points
Jefferson
No. Tex – 1 series, = 0 points
Tulane - 1 series, 1 TD = 7 points
Troy - 4 series, = 0 points
Ole Miss - 6 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Ark - 13 series, 3 TDs, 3 FGs = 30 points
Ga Tech - 11 series, 5 TDs, 1 FG = 38 points
Wash - 9 series, 3 TDs, 1 FG = 24 points
Vandy - 11 series, 2 TDs, 3 FGs = 23 points
ULL - 8 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 17 points
Miss St - 13 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 17 points
Ga - 11 series, 2 TDs, 2 FGs = 20 points
Fla – 8 series, 1 FG = 3 points
Aub - 10 series, 4 TDs, 1 FG = 31 points
Tul - 7 series, 3 TDs = 21 points
Bama - 6 series, 1 TD = 7 points
Ole Miss - 11 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 16 points
Ark - 9 series, 2 TDs, 3 FGs = 23 points
Penn St - 13 series, 2 TDs, 1 FG = 17 points
Totals:
Lee -- 105 series, 48 scores, 286 points; 2.72 points per series, scored on 46% of drives
JJ -- 152 series, 52 scores, 297 points; 1.95 points per series, scored on 34% of drives
That scoring % is quite a difference. I was also stunned that despite having 5 more starts, JJ only has Lee by 11 points. One would think Miles and Crowton have stats people that could produce these same numbers.
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:36 pm to TIsuGGER
can we get a stat on how many of their INTs and fumbles have led to points for the opponent?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:38 pm to Rohan2Reed
different teams the offesne was better in 08 then in 09 and it had to do more then just the QB. Plus JJ did alot better in his two games with the 08 team then he did the 09 team
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:41 pm to catholictigerfan
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Plus JJ did alot better in his two games with the 08 team then he did the 09 team
in 2009, Lee scored 38 points in 14 series which is 2.71 points per series.
Still better than JJ, and very close to Lee's 2008 numbers
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:44 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:
different teams the offesne was better in 08 then in 09 and it had to do more then just the QB
Although JJ did better with the 2008 team (2.16 points per series), he still trails Lee's 2008 or 2009 numbers.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:45 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:
in 2009, Lee scored 38 points in 14 series which is 2.71 points per series.
you have got to be be kidding me
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:46 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:
I was also stunned that despite having 5 more starts, JJ only has Lee by 11 points
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:48 pm to RobbBobb
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Told you I was stunned
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:53 pm to TIsuGGER
And what were the stats for Charles Scott in 2008 and 2009 respectively? This is getting ridiculous people. 
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:53 pm to TheDoc
You hate this huh bro
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:53 pm to TIsuGGER
Its always been my belief that JLee, with this year's defense and special teams would have had us in the SECCG.
Looks like he is well capable of making up for his mistakes. I mean, as a freshman he scored almost every other time he touched the ball (1 out of 2).
As a soph, JJ was closer to 1 out of 3.
But if Crowton and Miles want to stake their million dollar careers on that type of production, we'll just have to RANT our way through it.
Looks like he is well capable of making up for his mistakes. I mean, as a freshman he scored almost every other time he touched the ball (1 out of 2).
As a soph, JJ was closer to 1 out of 3.
But if Crowton and Miles want to stake their million dollar careers on that type of production, we'll just have to RANT our way through it.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:55 pm to smash williams
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And what were the stats for Charles Scott in 2008 and 2009 respectively?
CS stats were effected by teams stacking the box, due to the fact that JJ hasn't shown to be a deep ball threat.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:58 pm to learnthehardway
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You hate this huh bro
he is tossing around 2009 stats for LEE
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:58 pm to TIsuGGER
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TlsuIGGER
I've said for awhile that I would gladly take JL with a decent defense. I think he is a better all around QB. Mistakes happen, we didn't have the defense to be able to overcome that in 08, but we do now.
ETA: If JJ starts and leads us to victory I will be ecstatic. I think JL should be given the opportunity to play first, though.
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:59 pm to RobbBobb
Scott had one of the greatest years of any LSU RB in history. Tied the season record for rushing TDs I think. The offense in 2008 was naturally going to be better. 2008 had a great o-line and great rushing game.
That being said, Lee might have a lot more upside as a passing QB. He's a junior now, which is when he was predicted to start if RP had not bailed. Both Lee and Jefferson were raw high school prospects. Both/Either could have been prepared already if they had a better QB coach. Jimbo would have done wonders for these guys.
That being said, Lee might have a lot more upside as a passing QB. He's a junior now, which is when he was predicted to start if RP had not bailed. Both Lee and Jefferson were raw high school prospects. Both/Either could have been prepared already if they had a better QB coach. Jimbo would have done wonders for these guys.
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:00 pm to TIsuGGER
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JJ hasn't shown to be a deep ball threat.
+
=
JJ "deep ball"
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:01 pm to south bama tiger
quote:
The offense in 2008 was naturally going to be better. 2008 had a great o-line and great rushing game.
in JJ's first start ever, he put up 30 points against an SEC team
the 2008 line was good.
really good.
would have beaten bama that year too if it weren't for 4 picks.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:05 pm to TIsuGGER
You can't directly compare them unless you take into account the differing lines/WRs.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:05 pm to TIsuGGER
You did a lot of analysis to ignore a very basic and important fact. The OL in 2008 was 10x better than the OL in 2009. Compare the production of Charles Scott from the two years and you'll see a huge difference.
Lee may indeed be the better QB. But, your analysis is very simplistic and frankly is useless.
Lee may indeed be the better QB. But, your analysis is very simplistic and frankly is useless.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:10 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
You can't directly compare them unless you take into account the differing lines/WRs.
quote:
in 2009, Lee scored 38 points in 14 series which is 2.71 points per series.
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