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re: Penalties against us with Ritter vs without
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:22 am to Veritas
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:22 am to Veritas
Thanks. I want to be clear that this doesn't actually prove intentional bias. It could be unintentional. Hell, the calls could all be legit, though that would require an amazing level of coincidence. The sample sizes are small enough though that it is at least possible. This is just the statistical record.
But what I find most concerning is that Ritter has a demonstrable track record of calls going against LSU, and he is far and away the ref most often assigned to our games. If there's anything that points to intentional bias, it is the ref assignment.
But what I find most concerning is that Ritter has a demonstrable track record of calls going against LSU, and he is far and away the ref most often assigned to our games. If there's anything that points to intentional bias, it is the ref assignment.
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:25 am to dstone12
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Just what are you trying to say?
That since the 2003 season (and I can only confidently say that to that season because the stats prior to that were not readily available...I'd be willing to bet that this trend goes back as far as the eye can see) the team wearing Crimson & White has been significantly less penalized than the team in purple & Gold, regardless of who is on the sideline coaching the respective teams or how good each team was that year.
That's astonishing, really...that even when the great disciplinarian Nick Saban was on LSU's sidelines LSU was more penalized than Mike Shula's pitiful BAMA teams.
Coincidence?
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:29 am to Baloo
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Thanks. I want to be clear that this doesn't actually prove intentional bias. It could be unintentional. Hell, the calls could all be legit, though that would require an amazing level of coincidence. The sample sizes are small enough though that it is at least possible. This is just the statistical record.
Agreed on all counts.
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But what I find most concerning is that Ritter has a demonstrable track record of calls going against LSU, and he is far and away the ref most often assigned to our games. If there's anything that points to intentional bias, it is the ref assignment.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:34 am to Veritas
First of all, Ritter doesnt have to throw the flag, he has the same crew of guys with him. Him and his crew have influenced many LSU games over the last decade. If you are not sure of this, then it lets me know that you dont watch LSU football, or you have trouble paying attention to who is calling the games. Its not so much the how many penalties, or how many yards in penalties. The game is controlled by throwing the flag at the most opportune time to affect the game. I saw holding on several short runs and the receivers were not lined up on the line on more several plays, but they call it on long runs and TD's. No need to research, just watch the games.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:35 am to TutHillTiger
I was going to try, but I can't find the information that tells me who refs the games.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:51 am to Clutch PTM
Found on site that has 2011 to present, but appears some weeks are missing:
LINK
I know there's a better source because I've used one in the past but can't seem to find it yet.
LINK
I know there's a better source because I've used one in the past but can't seem to find it yet.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:58 am to monsterballads
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choose to ignore them, that's on you
Bookmarked for future fun.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:01 am to Clutch PTM
It's found at the bottom of each box score.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:09 am to dukke v
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OK. So what YOU are saying is that for EVERY LSU game that Ritter and his crew calls, Ritter gets his crew together before the game and tells them to call as many flags on LSU as they can and look the other way if there needs to be a flag on the other team... It sure looks that way.....
I mean they would probably remember from game to game, so I assume they wouldn't have to say it EVERY game.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:11 am to Uncle Luke
I don't understand how some folks seem oblivious to the ways Refs can influence a game even aside from the obvious big play call/no-call. Even on smaller plays but on momentum building drives, a call/no call will help kill a drive drive for an unfavored team and sustain one for the favored.
I still have the screen shots from last years Bama game where our receivers got assraped on three different downs on the last OT drive with no call made.
I still have the screen shots from last years Bama game where our receivers got assraped on three different downs on the last OT drive with no call made. 
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:14 am to USMCTiger03
one thing i've noticed is that ritter's crew call a TIGHT game against LSU. some of legit calls but seem paltry in nature. he's a stickler for perfection when it comes to LSU following the rules to a T. He is much "looser" when it comes to opposing teams.
just think if keehn punches air in the direction of another players head in "celebration"... that's going to be a flag and that fake punt is coming back.
just think if keehn punches air in the direction of another players head in "celebration"... that's going to be a flag and that fake punt is coming back.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:44 am to monsterballads
It's hard to argue against a Bama bias when you see this spot. I am still amazed that this one didn't cause an utter shite storm.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:46 am to Baloo
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Baloo
Great analysis. I think there is one more piece of data we need.
What are Ritters averages for LSU vs other SEC teams?
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:50 am to dstone12
I hate posters like you.
You're like the wanna be hipsters of the Rant. 99 people can agree with something, you'll be that 100th frick boy who doesn't.
If you can watch that game from Saturday and seriously say that all 15 of those calls were warranted, well you're a fricking tard and a liar on top of that.
Go cheer for Bama or something you damn tool.
ETA: dstone book mark this while you're at it
Dumb arse.
You're like the wanna be hipsters of the Rant. 99 people can agree with something, you'll be that 100th frick boy who doesn't.
If you can watch that game from Saturday and seriously say that all 15 of those calls were warranted, well you're a fricking tard and a liar on top of that.
Go cheer for Bama or something you damn tool.
ETA: dstone book mark this while you're at it
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LSU gets 6.74 penalties for 55.19 yards v. 5.02 penalties for 39.79 yards (since 2012). In games Ritter is the ref, the averages are 10.14 penalties for 81.86 yards v. 4.86 penalties for 43.86 yards.
Dumb arse.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 11:54 am
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:14 pm to WilliamTaylor21
One thing that no one has brought up, is that Saban and many other Coaches will tear into a ref wether warranted or not for almost any penalty. Les hardly ever does this. It is a situation where a coach can easily influence the "I gave them one, now I need to give the others one" fairness mentality of a ref. I don't think it is in Les' personality to get on a ref beyond just pleading after a call, which by then is too late. If you are constantly chewing on them like Saban, they will let things go or just try to avoid confrontation because it is "Nick Saban" chewing on me, I work for the people in Bermingham. Anyone who has an a-hole boss can understand this.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:18 pm to GarmischTiger
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Bias in officiating requires motive, and I don't think allegiance to a team (being a fan) is motive enough for not only one man but also some or all of his crew to essentially cheat. There'd need to be money involved, and the money would most likely be tied to betting lines.
If I were a referee, my calls would favor LSU.
straight up
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:23 pm to TutHillTiger
I am working on this.... but if someone faster wants to post go ahead. So far I think the Ritter haters may be a little disappointed. More info coming soon. It's still early
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:28 pm to tiger94gop
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I don't think it is in Les' personality to get on a ref beyond just pleading after a call, which by then is too late. If you are constantly chewing on them like Saban, they will let things go or just try to avoid confrontation because it is "Nick Saban" chewing on me, I work for the people in Bermingham. Anyone who has an a-hole boss can understand this.
For the past 12 seasons, LSU was much more penalized than BAMA in each season.
This includes the 2003 and 2004 seasons, when Nick Saban was screaming at officials on the LSU sideline. I can;t speak to the previous three seasons as the stats weren't readily available...but I'd be willing to bet they are the same.
No one gave a frick what he had to say when he was wearing purple & gold.
Have we forgotten his disdain for playing that Friday afternoon game the day after Thanksgiving against Arky? Bitched for five years mumbling at the floor like he's want to do, and no one in Birmingham seemed to notice.
Year two at BAMA in 2009 they moved the Iron Bowl to that Friday spot and BAMA squeaked out a win. They lost at home in 2010 on Friday, he bitched...and guess who's never playing on that Friday again?
My point isn't that you're wrong but that at LSU since 2000 we've tried it both ways...vinegar and honey. We seemed to get fricked regardless.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:29 pm to TutHillTiger
I don't think its an anti-LSU thing with Ritter, I think he and crew are just shitty officials that aren't held accountable by the SEC office because its a chronie system
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:34 pm to BilJ
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I don't think its an anti-LSU thing with Ritter, I think he and crew are just shitty officials that aren't held accountable by the SEC office because its a chronie system
So you are saying that you think it is a pro-Bama thing rather than an anti-LSU thing?
In a sense I agree...in that keeping Bama successful turns into $$$$$$$
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 12:36 pm
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