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Our last 3 basketball coaches have been bad, maybe it's not the coaches...
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:08 pm
John Brady was a bad fit, made a final 4 but was still not a good coach for LSU overall
Trent Johnson was awful, seemed in over his head
Johnny Jones seems to be going the way of TJ, seems over matched.
Maybe it's not these guys fault, maybe there is a larger program issue, someone in the background, Collis Temple, coach Brown, or someone else who is meddling or doing something to undermine these guys.
I dk its just a conspiracy theory but I'm just seeing a pattern with all 3 of them
Trent Johnson was awful, seemed in over his head
Johnny Jones seems to be going the way of TJ, seems over matched.
Maybe it's not these guys fault, maybe there is a larger program issue, someone in the background, Collis Temple, coach Brown, or someone else who is meddling or doing something to undermine these guys.
I dk its just a conspiracy theory but I'm just seeing a pattern with all 3 of them
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:11 pm to Tiger1242
I will say our teams are usually rag-tag undisciplined SOB's just like when Dale was the coach.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:11 pm to Tiger1242
Jones is easily among the worst hires in the entire athletic program(all sports) history. Top 10.
Hallman #1.
Hallman #1.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:14 pm to Taurus
quote:i will go ahead and disagree with this statement
Hallman #1.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:16 pm to Tiger1242
They don't understand Dale's "Freak" defense.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:17 pm to Tiger1242
Perhaps it could be that we don't shell out the bucks to get a quality coach here the way we do with other sports. Hell, we're routinely at or near the top in staff salary for football and we get great coaches assistants as a result.
You'd think we'd be able to do a little something with a head coach in another major sport
You'd think we'd be able to do a little something with a head coach in another major sport
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:17 pm to Tiger1242
NO, it's the coaches. Sad to say that Brady was better than the last one and the current one! 
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:17 pm to Tiger1242
To be fair, we are getting what we're paying for. We pay Jones near the bottom of the barrel in terms of SEC BB coach's salaries and have a bottom of the barrel coach. Until we actually show a financial commitment to basketball, we'll be straight up bad to halfway decent every year.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:18 pm to nitwit
It is odd how fans trashed Dale and Brady yet both are better than TJ and JJ
Then there is Nikki and PM-
Face it - we are a football school and the administration cares little about this
Then there is Nikki and PM-
Face it - we are a football school and the administration cares little about this
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:21 pm to Tiger1242
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, Collis Temple, coach Brown, or someone else who is meddling or doing something to undermine these guys.
Not sure about completely undermining, but these 2 have their hands all up in the program. King AAU hasn't provided the program with anything other than when Brady was here and used that to leverage himself to be able to make decisions. Him and daddy dale were all over this hire.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:31 pm to Rouge
quote:
i will go ahead and disagree with this statement
Hallman was fired from a high school gig after three straight sub 5 win seasons. Who is/was worse than the Hallman hire?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 2:49 pm to Taurus
Conference winning % since Jones arrival:
UK - 76.4%
UF - 68.1%
ARK - 58.3%
UGA - 58.3%
OM - 58.3%
LSU - 55.6%
A&M - 54.2%
ALA - 48.6%
TENN - 48.6%
VAN - 48.6%
MIZ - 36.1%
USC - 36.1%
MSU - 27.8%
AUB - 25.0%
The sec has been Kentucky, Florida then everybody else since he has been here. By no means was Johnny Jones a bad hire, but staying mediocre for years won't cut it. He definitely needs to step up this year and get us away from .500 in conference. He allowed too much BS last year and it all went to hell. I still think this years team will be a better team than last year.
UK - 76.4%
UF - 68.1%
ARK - 58.3%
UGA - 58.3%
OM - 58.3%
LSU - 55.6%
A&M - 54.2%
ALA - 48.6%
TENN - 48.6%
VAN - 48.6%
MIZ - 36.1%
USC - 36.1%
MSU - 27.8%
AUB - 25.0%
The sec has been Kentucky, Florida then everybody else since he has been here. By no means was Johnny Jones a bad hire, but staying mediocre for years won't cut it. He definitely needs to step up this year and get us away from .500 in conference. He allowed too much BS last year and it all went to hell. I still think this years team will be a better team than last year.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:03 pm to T
quote:Biting my tongue. Jones had a sure-fire top 2 pick in the upcoming NBA draft and couldn't get to the Big Dance. Jones was an awful hire. He had enough talent this year to get to the sweet 16. LSU suffered some of their worst losses ever this year. That makes Jones a bad hire.
By no means was Johnny Jones a bad hire, but staying mediocre for years won't cut it.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:21 pm to airfernando
quote:
Biting my tongue. Jones had a sure-fire top 2 pick in the upcoming NBA draft and couldn't get to the Big Dance. Jones was an awful hire. He had enough talent this year to get to the sweet 16. LSU suffered some of their worst losses ever this year. That makes Jones a bad hire.
Looking back Simmons had no business coming to LSU, he should have chosen a NBA One and Done factory that is used to handling those types of players. Duke, UK, UNC etc. I think Jones did an awful job last year, but in all fairness what he is trying to establish cannot be coached to someone just waiting to sign a shoe contract.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:24 pm to T
The problem with jones is that he achieves the same record with and without a talented team..
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:27 pm to Tiger1242
I don't feel like getting worked up on a Monday so I am copying and pasting from last week's basketball thread.
ETA:
I posted a lot more in the other thread than just bashing the administration.
quote:
In the mid to late 90's the LSU fanbase turned its attention away from basketball and baseball became the number 2 sport for the fanbase. I understand that the success in baseball made the sport more appealing to the fanbase. I also understand that the average fan only has so many entertainment dollars in their budget. It is not the average LSU fans fault that the basketball program has been inconsistent. On the other hand, the LSU administration's commitment to basketball is absolutely deplorable. Look no further than our freaking scoreboard in the PMAC. Look no further than at how they have reconfigured the PMAC seating arrangement to make it the one of worst in college basketball. Don't feed me bullshite that the students didn't go to the games so they had to move them. That's BS. If the administration would have done something earlier about a coach that not only lost an overwhelming number of games while playing an absolutely boring brand of basketball (I'm looking at you Trent Johnson) then the students wouldn't have quit going. There is nothing wrong with the PMAC. However, there is something wrong with the people that run the PMAC. Our home out of conference schedule always blows unless by luck of the draw we have a good matchup in the SEC-Big 12 challenge, which is only a home game every other year. The administration doesn't care about basketball because they think the fanbase doesn't care. The Kentucky games the last few years and the Oklahoma game this past year has proven that our fans want to care. Make a splash hire, add a new damn scoreboard, put the students back on top of the court, add some good non-conference games (Daddy Dale used to get freaking Duke to come here. Don't tell me its not possible.) and the PMAC can be intimidating again. I have seen it that way for a handful of games the past couple of years. There are enough fans want to get excited. There is absolutely no reason why we can't be like Florida who is nationally competitive in Football, Basketball and Baseball on a year in and year out basis. All it takes is an administration that gives a damn. Not one that sits with its hands on its arse like ours currently does. /rant
ETA:
I posted a lot more in the other thread than just bashing the administration.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:34 pm to Taurus
Saying top 10 worst hires is not a very good measuring stick. In the 4 major sports. You have to go back 15 years to Skip's last year to have a total of 10 coaches and only 15 if you go back as much as 30 years.
Jones is not a bad coach, just mediocre, and we need better than that. I think he coaches up mediocre talent very well, but struggles to do anything with elite talent, much like Dale Brown.
Just look at the records, Johnson and Brady weren't near as good as Jones. X's and O's they might have been better, but they couldn't get decent players to come here.
Hallman, Archer and Smoke were also far worse hires than Jones
Jones is not a bad coach, just mediocre, and we need better than that. I think he coaches up mediocre talent very well, but struggles to do anything with elite talent, much like Dale Brown.
Just look at the records, Johnson and Brady weren't near as good as Jones. X's and O's they might have been better, but they couldn't get decent players to come here.
Hallman, Archer and Smoke were also far worse hires than Jones
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:40 pm to Rouge
quote:
Hallman #1.
i will go ahead and disagree with this statement
I'm going to go ahead and ask, who did LSU hire who was worse?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:55 pm to Tiger1242
quote:These coaches dont fail purposely. they are doing their best. The person who puts them in position is ultimately to blame.
John Brady was a bad fit, made a final 4 but was still not a good coach for LSU overall
Trent Johnson was awful, seemed in over his head
Johnny Jones seems to be going the way of TJ, seems over matched.
"Sorry Joe, I really dont want to coach at my alma mater and get a hefty raise. UNT is my dream job"
Its really comical how much people hate on the guy.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:56 pm to airfernando
quote:
He had enough talent this year to get to the sweet 16
you know how I know you dont watch a lick of college basketball?
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