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OFFICIAL BCS/ NATIONAL TITLE DISCUSSION

Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:05 pm
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:05 pm
BCS STANDINGS

Well AU, TCU, and Oregon all looked poise to fall in the first quarter, but all pulled out wins. I'll assume nothing will come of the Cam Newton scandal and LSU has no chance of an SEC title. That still leaves open a very slight chance at a National Title...you DO NOT have to win your conference to play for a National Championship (and don't bring up UGA...they could have played, they just weren't as deserving as LSU in 07). LSU will have an amazing computer score at 11-1, maybe better than anyone in the nation (but AU) including undefeated Oregon. But they need LOTS of help. At the very least the 2 of the following 3 would absolutely have to happen:

1. Oregon loses
2. TCU loses
3. Auburn loses to Bama and SC

It is almost impossible for LSU to pass undefeated TCU and make it into the title game. Also, if Auburn finishes 12-1 by losing to SC that almost certainly stay above LSU. While 2 of the above 3 HAVE to happen, I am mostly of the opinion that at least 2 of the following 3 also need to happen.

1. Boise loses
2. The Big12 champ (NU/Ok State) loses again
3. Wisconsin loses

Now I can see LSU finishing above any or all of those teams if a National Title is not on the line. But when push comes to shove, voters would be very inclined to vote the Big12 or Big 10 champ (and certainly Boise) above LSU for the NC. Even if LSU beat out NU/Wisconsin, they would probably steal enough votes from LSU to give Boise the human poll cushion it needs.

LSU VERSUS TCU ARGUMENT

There has been some talk of LSU passing undefeated TCU and no matter how I crunch the numbers and come up with different scenarios it seems almost impossible. Putting aside any "Cam Newton effect", it is silly to think that more than a handful of voters would put LSU above TCU. LSU's best shot at passing TCU would be the following:

1. Auburn loses twice
2. Oregon and TCU win out
3. Boise, Wisconsin, the Big12 champ, and probably Stanford/Ohio State all lose

#3 is a necessity because all of those teams would steal votes from LSU. I think LSU would be #1 in the computers and TCU would be #3; then LSU would only need to be within one full spot of TCU in the human polls. That almost seems plausible but I think TCU would get as many 1st place votes as LSU gets 2nd place votes. And this is in the ludicrous scenario where Boise, Wisconsin, Big 12 champ, Ohio State, and Stanford all lose (and AU loses twice).

* If there aren't NT implications, it is more possible that LSU passes TCU

BCS BOWL POSSIBILITIES

At 11-1 LSU would seem like a lock to make a BCS bowl. In fact, they may finish top 4 of the BCS making them an "auto qualifier". But if 12-0 Auburn loses to SC, then South Carolina goes to the Sugar and Auburn almost definitely finishes above LSU in the final BCS. If Auburn finished #3 or #4 above LSU, they get the auto bid and the SEC can only have 2 teams...so LSU is left in the cold.

Assuming AU won the SEC, LSU would have an excellent chance at 10-2 and it seems almost definite the SEC gets 2 teams in. If Bama and Arky each lose, LSU would almost certainly get that spot; otherwise it would be a tough call and that would be up to the Bowls to decide who brings the best draw (probably Bama).

BCS Bowl Projections:

1. NC game: AU versus Oregon
2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State
3. Rose: Wisconsin versus TCU
4. Orange: Va Tech versus Pitt
5. Fiesta: Nebraska versus Boise

*The Sugar doesn't have to take LSU and some believe that the Sugar hates taking LSU because they don't sell hotel rooms, etc. But I think their relationship with the SEC makes it likely.
Posted by LSU Fan SLU Grad
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
4893 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:07 pm to
Hopefully we don't play Ohio St. again. I'm tired of whooping their arse.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75179 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:08 pm to
LSU vs. TCU

Posted by pitbull20
Somewhere close... real close
Member since Oct 2003
7762 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:09 pm to
I just cannot understand how TCU's computer ranking can be so high with such a trash schedule. I know they put a ton of weight into being undefeated, maybe that is what needs to change.
Posted by PPBeastMode
Member since Sep 2010
2400 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

1. NC game: AU versus Oregon
2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State
3. Rose: Wisconsin versus TCU
4. Orange: Va Tech versus Pitt
5. Fiesta: Nebraska versus Boise

LSU vs. OSU is the best game outside of the BCSCG IMO
Posted by Volt
Ascension Island, S Atlantic Ocean
Member since Nov 2009
2960 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:11 pm to
As always, good job and thanks.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:11 pm to
Pissible, but pollsters will see to it a non-SEC champ will not make it to the game
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

Hopefully we don't play Ohio St. again. I'm tired of whooping their arse.


I always love whooping their arse.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

Pissible, but pollsters will see to it a non-SEC champ will not make it to the game


So who does make the game if TCU, Boise, Auburn, Wisconsin, Ohio State, and the Big12 champ all lose again?

A 2 loss Big East team?
Posted by MasonTiger
Mason, Ohio
Member since Jan 2005
16247 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

LSU vs. OSU is the best game outside of the BCSCG IMO
I think so too.
Posted by LSUVAFAN
Stephens City, VA
Member since Jan 2007
959 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:17 pm to
It ashame that neither TCU/Oregon/Boise State is really that good. They are all beatable. I think Auburn and Boise State have the best offensive team in the Nation. LSU has the best defense followed by TCU..

Playoff System would be great this year.
At least we have Oregon in the first game next year!
Posted by PPBeastMode
Member since Sep 2010
2400 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

It ashame that neither TCU/Oregon/Boise State is really that good. They are all beatable. I think Auburn and Boise State have the best offensive team in the Nation. LSU has the best defense followed by TCU..

Playoff System would be great this year.
At least we have Oregon in the first game next year!

that D# gave up 35 points to a crappy team
Posted by pitbull20
Somewhere close... real close
Member since Oct 2003
7762 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

LSU has the best defense followed by TCU..



TCU's Defense is severely overrated. They are good, but until they face an O-line that isn't the size of a group of Tight ends I will reserve my judgment.

Yeah they have a few athletic guys, but have you seen any of their defensive starters getting top draft hype?
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131365 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:23 pm to
Sagarin and the ELO-Chess would have you believe the SEC West is pretty damn stout.

Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17667 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:24 pm to
Don't you think Auburn would fall further than 4 in the polls if they lose to SC? Tennessee fell to the Citrus Bowl in 01 when we beat them.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59104 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

that D# gave up 35 points to a crappy team


28 SDSU scored on defense.
Posted by Lil Br Tiga
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
2963 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:27 pm to
I have to respectfully disagree with your possibilites.

LSU will be closer to Boise and TCU this week. Boise St. is currently 0.0492 ahead of us. TCU is 0.1089. Both of these margins will be smaller this week if the trend from the Coaches poll is the same in the Harris Poll.

I said it last week and I will say it again. Last week TCU peaked in the BCS. It can only go down in both the computer and human polls. Boise St. is are main threat. Hopefully Nevada will take care of them but I don't see that happening.

You are going to see it all even out between LSU, Boise St. and TCU after we play Arkansas. If Auburn loses to Alabama we go to the BCSNG even if they beat South Carolina. You heard it here first.
Posted by northeasttiger
New York
Member since Sep 2008
2506 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:29 pm to
Lsumatt ....

I contend most likely outcome, Oregon, TCU, Boise win out and Auburn beats USCe after losing to Bama.

Then I thunk Rose is in play for LSU.

TCU Oregon to title game
Auburn to Sugar

Rose would have first pick and wouldn't have to take Boise. It would be 11-1 LSU or 11-1 Stanford. They take Stanford. But if Standford is 10-2 they take LSU over unabated Boise.

Thoughts.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45568 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

If Auburn loses to Alabama we go to the BCSNG even if they beat South Carolina. You heard it here first.


absolutely false
Posted by PPBeastMode
Member since Sep 2010
2400 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

You are going to see it all even out between LSU, Boise St. and TCU after we play Arkansas. If Auburn loses to Alabama we go to the BCSNG even if they beat South Carolina. You heard it here first

If LSU wins against (#13) Arkansas, that'll give us the best computer ranking behind Auburn. I think LSU will jump TCU or Boise with an impressive win over Arkansas
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