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no matter what some say, les miles is going to be hard to replace
Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:51 am
even just his football results (no way we get a better ambassador or player mentor).
just his last 5 years results (his worst) he had a record of 70+% wins, I SEC title and 1 NC appearance. statistically, it's a fact that the better the record a coach has, the harder it is to replace him with a coach that can do AS GOOD much less better.
to be better a new coach will have to recruit as well as miles AND coach better. this new coach is going to have to hire better assisstants and his first year recruiting will not be as good as miles and co. have on tap right now. that is normal following a coaching change.
I've made no secret I want Miles to stay IF HE WANTS TO (if I was him I wouldn't want to). but a change COULD be good for the program.
the problem is, in the short run it probably WILL NOT be good for the program. only lady luck can help us. anyone with any maturity and has been watching major college football coaching changes knows that the school looking faces HUGE obstacles in actually hiring who they want; esp in the last 10 yrs or so. coaches make a lot more money and their contracts contain more protections for the school as a result of that.
most of the real good HC's have such contracts and their schools will take steps to keep them if they like them. in other words, LSU may be getting ready to make some coaches a lot of money. in the meantime, our odds of being left with the bridesmaid are significant.
all you people that think LSU recruits itself, coaches are lining up to come here, and that even a bumpkin can do as good as Les Miles are not real savy. you say NOW "anybody but Miles" but you will be the first ones to turn on the next coach if he isn't an improvement or he isn't as good as ole nicky (you know, the guy that LEFT LSU, and in a lerch at that, almost 15 years ago).
just his last 5 years results (his worst) he had a record of 70+% wins, I SEC title and 1 NC appearance. statistically, it's a fact that the better the record a coach has, the harder it is to replace him with a coach that can do AS GOOD much less better.
to be better a new coach will have to recruit as well as miles AND coach better. this new coach is going to have to hire better assisstants and his first year recruiting will not be as good as miles and co. have on tap right now. that is normal following a coaching change.
I've made no secret I want Miles to stay IF HE WANTS TO (if I was him I wouldn't want to). but a change COULD be good for the program.
the problem is, in the short run it probably WILL NOT be good for the program. only lady luck can help us. anyone with any maturity and has been watching major college football coaching changes knows that the school looking faces HUGE obstacles in actually hiring who they want; esp in the last 10 yrs or so. coaches make a lot more money and their contracts contain more protections for the school as a result of that.
most of the real good HC's have such contracts and their schools will take steps to keep them if they like them. in other words, LSU may be getting ready to make some coaches a lot of money. in the meantime, our odds of being left with the bridesmaid are significant.
all you people that think LSU recruits itself, coaches are lining up to come here, and that even a bumpkin can do as good as Les Miles are not real savy. you say NOW "anybody but Miles" but you will be the first ones to turn on the next coach if he isn't an improvement or he isn't as good as ole nicky (you know, the guy that LEFT LSU, and in a lerch at that, almost 15 years ago).
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:53 am to LSU GrandDad
I agree
Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:53 am to LSU GrandDad
Lsu is 4-7 in the SEC West these last two years.
We're below .500
I think almost any name coach can do better than a losing record in conference divisional play...
We're below .500
I think almost any name coach can do better than a losing record in conference divisional play...
Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:58 am to CptBengal
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I think almost any name coach can do better than a losing record in conference divisional play...
Okay, NAME one of them that is easily lured away from his current job.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:59 am to CptBengal
There is no available coach that will be immune to a bad season or two. That will almost surely happen no matter what, assuming the next guy stays around for as long as Miles has. We need someone who can match the best of Miles, and honestly, matching the worst with some different outcomes in certain games (Bama and not shitting the bed on the biggest stage) would be an outstanding result. It's going to hurt some folks who envision someone who will do everything Miles did at his best, and eliminate all the things we hated about Miles from a production standpoint.
People think the decision should just be based on the last two years, which would make it easy, but the people who are accountable to the decision know that you cannot discount the good years. You just can't. That is why it's a tough decision, even if parting ways is the right decision.
People think the decision should just be based on the last two years, which would make it easy, but the people who are accountable to the decision know that you cannot discount the good years. You just can't. That is why it's a tough decision, even if parting ways is the right decision.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:59 am to LSU GrandDad
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LSU GrandDad
People won't want to hear it but it's true. I'm no Les fanboy but history and statistics tell us that the next coach is unlikely to live up to the body of work that Miles has assembled during his time at Lsu. The same fans that are dying for a new coach will be the first to eat him alive. I'm not saying change isn't needed or necessary. However, it is unlikely anyone will match the success of Les Miles at Lsu.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:00 am to GRTiger
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People think the decision should just be based on the last two years,
We've been on a downward trend for half a decade. And things are getting worse...
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:01 am to CptBengal
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Lsu is 4-7 in the SEC West these last two years.
TWO years. the man has been here 11 years. I assume you aren't challenging the premise of my post and that you don't care as long as we get rid of miles.
which is kinda my point. there will be consequences and they are likely to be bad. in fact, the way this thing is coming down, my opinion is that LSU is headed for the "wilderness" and will flounder around for years before finding the next really good coach.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:01 am to rds dc
Like losing the Music City Bowl?
You'd have to be blind to not see this program's in a tail spin.
You'd have to be blind to not see this program's in a tail spin.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:02 am to LSU GrandDad
We have 2 bowl wins in 6 years
We lost 5 games last season
We got blown out 3 straight games this year. We haven't seen that since the 60's
Miles came to LSU as an average coach and he had success here
Since LSU has proven an avg coach can come to an established program with talent and win a championship.. Why are you so doubtful? Nothing LSU experienced prior to being this talented matters. Nothing other programs went though matters either unless they too won a national championship with back to back coaching regimes..
Why delay the inevitable?? Miles' time is nearing any ways. It's only getting worse NOW! We are doing things we haven't seen in ages.. We are committing too many penalties. We aren't well prepared. No excuse for this. It's time.
We lost 5 games last season
We got blown out 3 straight games this year. We haven't seen that since the 60's
Miles came to LSU as an average coach and he had success here
Since LSU has proven an avg coach can come to an established program with talent and win a championship.. Why are you so doubtful? Nothing LSU experienced prior to being this talented matters. Nothing other programs went though matters either unless they too won a national championship with back to back coaching regimes..
Why delay the inevitable?? Miles' time is nearing any ways. It's only getting worse NOW! We are doing things we haven't seen in ages.. We are committing too many penalties. We aren't well prepared. No excuse for this. It's time.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:03 am to rds dc
2012 - 6-2 SEC record
2013 - 5-3 SEC record
2014 - 4-4 SEC record
2015 - 4-3 SEC record
Total - 19-12 w/1 game to go.
That's-AT BEST-3 SEC losses per year. That's-AT BEST-5 SEC wins per year. During that same stretch, the Division Champion averaged a 7-1 conference record.
We aren't just one game away. We aren't just not competing for the Division or Conference Championship. We're averaging not even being within TWO GAMES of competing for the Division or Conference Crown.
You may not find a better man, but you can find a more competitive coach.
2013 - 5-3 SEC record
2014 - 4-4 SEC record
2015 - 4-3 SEC record
Total - 19-12 w/1 game to go.
That's-AT BEST-3 SEC losses per year. That's-AT BEST-5 SEC wins per year. During that same stretch, the Division Champion averaged a 7-1 conference record.
We aren't just one game away. We aren't just not competing for the Division or Conference Championship. We're averaging not even being within TWO GAMES of competing for the Division or Conference Crown.
You may not find a better man, but you can find a more competitive coach.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:03 am to LSU GrandDad
I agree. He's a very hard act for someone to follow. Not sure how anyone can be anti Miles.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:03 am to CptBengal
OK stipulated, and that's why I think the decision that will be made will probably be the right one. That doesn't preclude those results from happening with a new guy, and it doesn't change the fact that the decision makers don't find the move as easy as some of you, because of the full body of work.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:03 am to LSU GrandDad
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TWO years. the man has been here 11 years. I assume you aren't challenging the premise of my post and that you don't care as long as we get rid of miles.
He has wanted to get rid of Miles ever since he played the black QB instead of the white one.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:04 am to CptBengal
Exactly.
We aren't even 500 in our division the past 2 seasons. We aren't competing.
What do you want.. To wait too long. Wait for the program to really deteriorate?
We aren't even 500 in our division the past 2 seasons. We aren't competing.
What do you want.. To wait too long. Wait for the program to really deteriorate?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:04 am to CptBengal
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Lsu is 4-7 in the SEC West these last two years.
We were so much better than this
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:04 am to LSU GrandDad
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TWO years. the man has been here 11 years. I assume you aren't challenging the premise of my post and that you don't care as long as we get rid of miles
Your premise is stupid.
We have been on a downward trend for half a decade.
The last two years show how far we have fallen. When we lose to aTm we will be 4-8 in the SEC West over two years.
That's awful.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:05 am to LSU GrandDad
Maybe so but sometimes you have to roll the dice.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:05 am to LSU GrandDad
Totally agree
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:05 am to TigerGman
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Like losing the Music City Bowl?
You'd have to be blind to not see this program's in a tail spin.
I said, "body of work" meaning start to finish. Also, I'm not arguing that Lsu doesn't need a change. I am saying, don't be surprised if a new coach doesn't deliver the football utopia that so many are already clearing space for in the trophy cabinet. History tells us it's hard to follow a legend.
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