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Of course, they were two of his better players and he was giving them both a chance to play in the SEC, easy sell. He brought the other one over and kept playing him even though he sucked and even took him back after he sulked an kept playing him.....one of the things I think we all can agree was a error he made in his year one learing exprience and I would say he learned well...credit to him he didn't put up with that shite with a much more talented player in Cook.

The options at point were J Hill, J Will, and Cam Hayes. None were SEC level pg's. And all were made worse when Adam Miller couldn't hit jumpers. Unfortunately, those were the options. And Hill left briefly after he was moved to the bench.

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hink you went too far with your "really good players" too.

You keep saying that but no one has said that in this thread. It is just you and Gus trying to massively undersell what Wade had while building up players that McMahon added as if they were sitting on the roster.

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Posted by Tiger Ugly

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Posted on 3/18/24 at 7:16 am to mmcgrath

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ou keep saying that but no one has said that in this thread. I

Actually someone has, apologize it was not you mmcrath but you did defend his point so I confused you with Pirate King. he's the one who keeps putting up the list and has put the list up multiple times calling the list "really good players" CMM inherited without the real context...and I'll push back on that list and the reason it's posted every time he does.

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Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:21 am to PNG Futbol

LOL. This has never been a case of who is the better coach. Since Wade won in the SEC and went to the NCAA then yes as of now Wade has had more success than Mcmahon. What does that have to do with anything. This not about Mcmahon. This is about a cult that is sooooo upset with Woodward that Mcmahon's failure is not only predicted but absolutely needed in order for them to exist. If you do not understand how warped and twisted this line of thinking is then I suggest you read a few mental health books.

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Posted by mcmaniacinsaneasylum

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Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:39 am to Tiger Ugly

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Epps averaged 5 points a game over his 4-year career here (same as Fountains 4-year average in the SEC in his career)

And the one year wade coached him they made the NIT… and now with fountain being a key piece of this team (a similar player by your own regard) we also made the NIT… so what is your point exactly? All you’ve done is show that with similar level players we’ve had similar results…. Though I’d take Duop Reath over Will Baker any day.

Do with that information what you will.

I don’t think Wade inherited an ideal situation but it’s beyond obtuse to suggest Wade and McMahon inherited similar programs. Even if you think the roster Wade inherited wasn’t “filled with good players” the players he did have were undeniably better. Plus that era of basketball was different so he had an actual foundation unlike McMahon who had to scramble to keep guys here + pick from a shallow portal.

Everyone knows JJ last team was better than a 2 win team on paper. Thats part of the reason he got fired- underachieving. To use the two win narrative to make it act like Wade inherited a shite show is silly. That roster was not a dogshit roster. They had a dogshit coach.

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Posted by Tiger Ugly

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Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:31 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum

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And the one year wade coached him they made the NIT… and now with fountain being a key piece of this team (a similar player by your own regard) we also made the NIT… so what is your point exactly?

My point is and always has been that the statement that we have established was made by Pirate King - twice, and defended both times by you and others, that WW inherited 5 "really good" players and the program was in good shape talent-wise it's just Johnny Jones sucked, is wrong and IMHO not even close to being right.

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Though I’d take Duop Reath over Will Baker any day.

Yeah the Duop Reath now absolutely, the one who's been playing organized ball for like 3 years and was raw as hell, the one we had, and I'm not big Will Baker pimp, but I could still could not say that.

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don’t think Wade inherited an ideal situation but it’s beyond obtuse to suggest Wade and McMahon inherited similar programs. Even if you think the roster Wade inherited wasn’t “filled with good players” the players he did have were undeniably better. Plus that er

I'm not trying to say that and sorry you keep drawing that conclusion. I'm merely using examples from our current roster to show the folly of the vast reach Pirate King is making with that list and keeps getting defended for.

Even Mays who of all of them was the most talented, hell that's like if Ward are Reed end up playing a year or two in the NBA down the line which is possible, they both have pretty high cielings IMHO, me coming back 5 years from now
Man CMM sucked had pro talent all over that team and barely made the NIT.

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o use the two win narrative to make it act like Wade inherited a shite show is silly. That roster was not a dogshit roster. They had a dogshit coach.

I'm not using the two win narrative, I'm just pushing back against the IMHO ridiculous argument that WW inherited 5 "really good players" he did not. And again, I will every time it's done.

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