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re: National and SEC perception of LSU pre-Saban?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:51 am to KG5989
Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:51 am to KG5989
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Never got the top players in the state, minus Kevin Faulk. Talent was always here, but rarely came here. We werent an established program like we are today.
Thats crazy. We had had a national title and had a pretty good run in the 80's.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:55 am to MSG
For the most part, I think LSU was viewed as having talented teams that were usually competitive in the SEC (kind of like South Carolina has been more recently), but not much of a factor nationally. It is also important to remember that the perception of the SEC as a whole was also not the same in the '80s and '90s as it is today.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:57 am to LSUTrojan
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the perception of the SEC as a whole was also not the same in the '80s and '90s as it is today.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:58 am to MSG
We were widely regarded as a sleeping giant.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 12:06 pm to MSG
During the dinardo years people started viewing us a sleeping giant. He showed what Lsu could be if we kept the in state talent. But no one thought Lsu could go on a run like they did since.
Tex a&m pre-sumlin is probably a good comparison. We always had some talent but couldn't quite put it all together at the same time.
Also that is the time period when marshal Faulk, Dunn, Reggie Wayne, Ed reed, Anthony Thomas, kordell Stewart, minor, applewhite, Peyton, etc were all leaving the state. It was getting hard not to notice the potential.
Tex a&m pre-sumlin is probably a good comparison. We always had some talent but couldn't quite put it all together at the same time.
Also that is the time period when marshal Faulk, Dunn, Reggie Wayne, Ed reed, Anthony Thomas, kordell Stewart, minor, applewhite, Peyton, etc were all leaving the state. It was getting hard not to notice the potential.
This post was edited on 9/20/13 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 9/20/13 at 12:06 pm to MSG
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National and SEC perception of LSU pre-Saban?
We were regarded as a strong traditional power that had fallen on hard times in the 1990s. Until 1989, we were considered a very good program. We have always been among the top 15 or so programs in terms of all-time achievement. This millenium has put us in or very near the top 10.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 12:11 pm to memphis tiger
The death of Bo Rein was a setback that LSU struggled to recover from. Yes arnsbarger came in after Jerry and did a fine job but he wasnt for recruiting at all. Bad hires afterward pushed the program even deeper.
Other schools would raid LA for talent year after year.
LSU had let things like facilities slack off. And we were viewed as cheap. Dinardo started the turn around but he wasnt a great coach but a solid recruiter.
Viewed somewhat as a sleeping giant but also viewed as corrupt (politically which meant meddling really) and again cheap. Frick joe dean didnt want to pay Saban, it was emmert that pulled that trigger
The 90's were really the dark days. Even when good, the team would fall on its face after a big win (OM 97 after UF). Hallman consistently bad, dinardo inconsistent but did bring LSU into upgrading facilities and started the closing of the border recruiting wise
Nationally I don't think many "media" thought things could be sustained here. Even in 03, I think that yr was viewed as a outlier nationally and 04 was not all that impressive looking back.
People don't credit the current staff for where they have brought the program at all.
Other schools would raid LA for talent year after year.
LSU had let things like facilities slack off. And we were viewed as cheap. Dinardo started the turn around but he wasnt a great coach but a solid recruiter.
Viewed somewhat as a sleeping giant but also viewed as corrupt (politically which meant meddling really) and again cheap. Frick joe dean didnt want to pay Saban, it was emmert that pulled that trigger
The 90's were really the dark days. Even when good, the team would fall on its face after a big win (OM 97 after UF). Hallman consistently bad, dinardo inconsistent but did bring LSU into upgrading facilities and started the closing of the border recruiting wise
Nationally I don't think many "media" thought things could be sustained here. Even in 03, I think that yr was viewed as a outlier nationally and 04 was not all that impressive looking back.
People don't credit the current staff for where they have brought the program at all.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 12:41 pm to MSG
We didn't become relevant until we beat Ole Miss in 2003. Fact.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 12:44 pm to Clark W Griswold
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We didn't become relevant until we beat Ole Miss in 2003. Fact.
Mmmm, I'm gonna go ahead and say we were relevant when we won the SEC and the Sugar Bowl in 2001.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 12:51 pm to The312
I watched a bunch of bad football in TS during the end of Archer and the Hallman years. Dinardo was inconsistent but got people buying into the program again. Those were the dark ages. LSU has been on one helluva run since 2000 
Posted on 9/20/13 at 12:58 pm to Run DMC
Thanks to Mr. string music...set our program back, year after year.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:03 pm to ksayetiger
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In the early and late 90's, we were about like where tulane is today
It was bad -- really bad, but come on.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:06 pm to Clark W Griswold
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We didn't become relevant until we beat Ole Miss in 2003. Fact.
Wrong
There were times, even in the dark ages when it was relevant. Stopping the Bama unbeaten streak at 31 or whatever, beatin UF while #1 were all nationally relevant moments
And knocking ut out of the BCSCG in 01 was def relevant
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:11 pm to danfraz
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Bo Rein
Damn.. Just did some research! What could have been....
I think he may have been mentioned in War Skule?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:24 pm to MSG
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MSG
National and SEC perception of LSU pre-Saban?
I was wondering how we were perceived before the 2000's? I
Many fans around the country, esp. the toothless wonders two states over, swear LSU football never existed before 2000.
The truth is, LSU was #12 All-time in NCAA history in number of victories, and #10 in bowl appearances """""""""" B E F O R E """""""""
Saban even stepped foot in Baton Rouge. (now #11 and #8, respectively).
For some reason people think the 90's was the norm for LSU football.
Actually the 1990's was the only sub-.500 decade in LSU football history, and it 54-58 - only 4 games under .500 - at that.
We actually won 26 games and 3 straight bowl victories in '95,'96 and '*97.
Before 2000, LSU was actually named national champions by various polls, publications, associations, and indeces 5 times: 1908, 1935, 1936, 1958 of course, and 1962.
This post was edited on 9/20/13 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:55 pm to MSG
I went to elementary school in mid 1990s in the Midwest. Every time I wore an LSU shirt people asked what it stood for. Still remember being asked if it stood for Louisville State
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:59 pm to DeltaDoc
Texas A&M pre Sumlin.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:08 pm to DeltaDoc
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As an aside, if UGA ever finds their Saban, they will go on a run the likes of which has never been seen due to population and the shear numbers of athletes in state.
Nope
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:09 pm to MSG
The Clemson/Texas A&M comparisons are pretty close except for '89-'94. I think some of you may be underestimating how terrible we were then. Absolute doormats. It should have never happened but it did. There was average talent at best and incompetent coaching. We were on the level of Kentucky and Mississippi State. Might as well own it.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:10 pm to MSG
LSU was a top 15-20 program overall, not year in and year out but overall before the recent success. Very solid program from the start of football at LSU until 1989. The 90s were the dark years, especially early 90s. Seemed like college football started to explode as LSU begin to rise again. The late 90s were good, but not consistent. The tradition of LSU football is very strong before the last 11-12 years.
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