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re: Name me a better all time play maker in LSU's history than TM7
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:29 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:29 pm to Chad504boy
Jacob Hester
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Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:33 pm to Chad504boy
Wasn't there a cannon kid?
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:37 pm to Chad504boy
Off the top of my head Billy Cannon and Tommy Hodson
And its really not even close
And its really not even close
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:43 pm to Chad504boy
Whenever I see threads like this one I realize how little the average LSU fan knows about LSU athletic history.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:46 pm to Chad504boy
Gonna go WAAAAY back in Tigah FB history, but it seems Gus Tinsley should be part of the conversation per Wiki:
Tinsley was born in Ruple, Louisiana and raised in Homer, Louisiana in the northern part of the state. He attended Louisiana State University where he played football and baseball and was selected as the captain of both teams.[1] He was considered one of the greatest receivers in college football, earning consensus All-American honors in both 1935 and 1936. As a junior in 1935, Tinsley was named as a first-team All-American by the Associated Press,[2] United Press,[3] Liberty Magazine (selected based on a poll of 1,521 varsity players in all parts of the country),[4] Collier's Weekly,[5] the Newspaper Editors Association,[6] the International News Service,[7] and the New York Sun.[8] In 1936, Tinsley repeated as a first-team All-American with each of these publications and also received the first-team designation from the Central Press Association (selected by the captains of more than 50 college football teams at "important universities and colleges throughout the United States"),[9] and the Walter Camp Football Foundation.[10]
Tinsley's profile at the College Football Hall of Fame describes him this way: "Tinsley was a magnificent athletic specimen, standing 6-0, and weighing 196-pounds, size he used equally well as a defensive stalwart who was a blocking master."[1] As a sophomore in 1934, Tinsley had a 65-yard pass reception (thrown by halfback Abe Mickal) against Southern Methodist University, which stood as a record for several years as "the longest pass in Southern football history."[1] Tinsley's coach at LSU, Bernie Moore, once said, "Tinsley could have made All-American at any position. He was so tough, he made blockers quit. He's the greatest lineman I ever saw."[11]
Tinsley concluded his college career by playing in an annual game between the college all-stars and an NFL team. Tinsley scored the only points of the game on a 47-yard touchdown pass from Sammy Baugh, as the college players defeated the Green Bay Packers, 6-0.[11]
In 1993, LSU selected its all-time team as part of the celebration of the centennial of LSU football. Tinsley was "the only unanimous choice" for LSU's "Early Years Team of the Century."[11] Upon his death in 2002, LSU Sports described his contributions to the school's football teams of the mid-1930s as follows:
"Tinsley is widely considered to be among the finest athletes to ever play at LSU. The star end led the Tigers to their first two SEC titles and played in two Sugar Bowls. He earned All-SEC and All-American honors in 1935-36 for his ability to dominate a game on both sides of the ball. In 1936, he was also second in balloting for national MVP honors. ... At 6-3, 215 pounds, Tinsley was considered to the prototype end of his era because of his mobility."[11]
Tinsley was born in Ruple, Louisiana and raised in Homer, Louisiana in the northern part of the state. He attended Louisiana State University where he played football and baseball and was selected as the captain of both teams.[1] He was considered one of the greatest receivers in college football, earning consensus All-American honors in both 1935 and 1936. As a junior in 1935, Tinsley was named as a first-team All-American by the Associated Press,[2] United Press,[3] Liberty Magazine (selected based on a poll of 1,521 varsity players in all parts of the country),[4] Collier's Weekly,[5] the Newspaper Editors Association,[6] the International News Service,[7] and the New York Sun.[8] In 1936, Tinsley repeated as a first-team All-American with each of these publications and also received the first-team designation from the Central Press Association (selected by the captains of more than 50 college football teams at "important universities and colleges throughout the United States"),[9] and the Walter Camp Football Foundation.[10]
Tinsley's profile at the College Football Hall of Fame describes him this way: "Tinsley was a magnificent athletic specimen, standing 6-0, and weighing 196-pounds, size he used equally well as a defensive stalwart who was a blocking master."[1] As a sophomore in 1934, Tinsley had a 65-yard pass reception (thrown by halfback Abe Mickal) against Southern Methodist University, which stood as a record for several years as "the longest pass in Southern football history."[1] Tinsley's coach at LSU, Bernie Moore, once said, "Tinsley could have made All-American at any position. He was so tough, he made blockers quit. He's the greatest lineman I ever saw."[11]
Tinsley concluded his college career by playing in an annual game between the college all-stars and an NFL team. Tinsley scored the only points of the game on a 47-yard touchdown pass from Sammy Baugh, as the college players defeated the Green Bay Packers, 6-0.[11]
In 1993, LSU selected its all-time team as part of the celebration of the centennial of LSU football. Tinsley was "the only unanimous choice" for LSU's "Early Years Team of the Century."[11] Upon his death in 2002, LSU Sports described his contributions to the school's football teams of the mid-1930s as follows:
"Tinsley is widely considered to be among the finest athletes to ever play at LSU. The star end led the Tigers to their first two SEC titles and played in two Sugar Bowls. He earned All-SEC and All-American honors in 1935-36 for his ability to dominate a game on both sides of the ball. In 1936, he was also second in balloting for national MVP honors. ... At 6-3, 215 pounds, Tinsley was considered to the prototype end of his era because of his mobility."[11]
This post was edited on 11/29/12 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:50 pm to Jay Quest
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Whenever I see threads like this one I realize how little the average LSU fan knows about LSU athletic history.
Its very sad
Its like our only Heisman winner, or even our other Heisman candidates (Cannon also in '58, Stovall, Alexander, Bert Jones) never even played the game
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:50 pm to TexTgrTed
ThIs topic is almost as easy as, 'name me a better poster than chaddyboy.'
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:52 pm to TexTgrTed
I've neer seen Casanova play I'm sorry. I'm 30 and have been a huge fan last 20-25 years. I can say Faulk is the best player LSU has had but TM7 is the best playmaker I've seen, also most exciting player I've watched in my years of watching! I just don't like how some people's opinion of his abilities have changed since he got in trouble.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:57 pm to liquid rabbit
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Tommy Casanova
Winner
Posted on 11/29/12 at 12:58 pm to LSU92
Opinion of him on the field I mean! Lol
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:00 pm to Chad504boy
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Name me a better all time play maker in LSU's history than TM7
the real issue here is the he has now overshadowed his on-field accomplishments with his off-field antics. There's a lot more to leaving a legacy, espcially in sports, than what you do on the field. Take a look at what is happening with MLB HOF ballets right now... the all time HR leader won't make it in and probably never will. I consider Hank Aaron to be far greater than Barry Bonds. As such, IMO guys like TM7 are now subordinate to MO, PP7, Faulk, Hilliard, Alexander, Andolsek, Hodson, etc.
I'm just glad the guy is gone and the distraction with him.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:10 pm to ccomeaux
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There's a lot more to leaving a legacy, espcially in sports, than what you do on the field.
Cannon had the same problem for decades, but actually winning the Heisman and being on a NC team, helped restore his legacy
People forget that not only did Cannon have the Halloween Run, but he also made the game saving, 4th down, goal line saving tackle, in that same game.
He threw TD passes from the halfback position and kicked Xtra points during his time at LSU.
Since athletes no longer play both sides of the ball, I dont think anyone ever tops Cannon or Casanova in Tiger Lore. The reason they are the only two that have their jerseys retired
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:14 pm to Chad504boy
He's definitely at the very top of LSU defenders in schools history. People like to rag on his coverage skills, but Mathieu forced turnovers and changed games more so than any defensive player in recent college football (Suh had a similar impact).
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:15 pm to theunknownknight
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You really wanna say he was best in the history in LSU football in 2010? Because, in case you haven't noticed...he didn't play this season for some reason.
No, you said he only made great plays in 2011. The dude definitely had some fantastic plays in 2010. Maybe you should go back and watch some video.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:22 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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No, you said he only made great plays in 2011. The dude definitely had some fantastic plays in 2010. Maybe you should go back and watch some video.
2011 >>>>>>> 2010
Relative to the scope of LSU HISTORY of all LSU players, 2010 for TM isn't even on the radar.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:24 pm to theunknownknight
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2011 >>>>>>> 2010
I didn't say it wasn't
You said:
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The guy had ONE great season
That is completely incorrect. He was outstanding in 2010. I didn't say anything about him being the best play maker in the history of LSU football. I simply said he had more than one great season. The dude was a beast as a true freshman and you can't argue with that.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:25 pm to bulldogger
Tommy Casanova stands out from the pack, as he was our only 3 time All American & played all over the field. He holds the LSU record for punt returns in a game, as he ran back 3 against O.Miss.However, Jerry Stovall, another all over the field type player, should have won the Heisman his senior yr but was screwed over by a no name QB from the West Coast. Stovall played both sides of the ball, was all conference 2 yr on both sides of the ball, All American on defense, AND ran back punts & kickoffs. Cannon's legacy speaks for itself. He played both ways, the whole game, was a 2 time All American, 2 time All SEC, Heisman Trophy winner, and had the biggest play in LSU football history. TM7 is on the list, no doubt, these 3 are head & shoulders above him for impact on a game. He did it for one yr. These 3 guys did it for 2-3 yrs.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:26 pm to theunknownknight
Who gives a shite about some 1950s players. We are discussing these days. Josh Reed is the best I've seen. He was unstoppable, but Tyrann is up there also.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:26 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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That is completely incorrect. He was outstanding in 2010. I didn't say anything about him being the best play maker in the history of LSU football. I simply said he had more than one great season. The dude was a beast as a true freshman and you can't argue with that.
Read the thread. TM's 2010 season was not GREAT relative to all of LSU history. Hyperbole is killing our language.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 1:27 pm to Chad504boy
In my time Kevin Faulk. Never saw Casanova play.
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