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re: My theory on what's happening in LSU Athletics
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:52 am to Bawser
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:52 am to Bawser
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BUT - if you look at this from a business standpoint...have we been very good since 2011? No, not at all. We lose to Bama every year.
Everyone loses to Bama every year. If not for the McNeese game being cancelled in 2015, LSU would have had three 10-win seasons in that timeframe. There are a lot of schools that would love to have that kind of success.
LSU reported $22M in donations directly to the athletic department attributable to football for the 2016 fiscal year - that doesn't include TAF donations. You think that if LSU's program deteriorated to the point that we're barely making bowl games every year, that those contributions would only drop by a few million?
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:53 am to Bawser
Bottom line, this isn't correct because LSU is about money and Football is the only sport that brings in that much money. Sure, a good basketball team supports itself, but Football literally supports every other sport and it gives money to the academic side.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:53 am to RedPop4
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I realize I've been posting this all morning, and I'm surprised there isn't more of it. I am also certain that it was discussed in much more depth two weeks ago when this first came out.
You don't try to become a "basketball school" when your football program/athletic department is worth $910,000,000.00
This isn't Duke with high tuition, small student body, and alumni base not interested in football. This is the FIFTH LARGEST "franchise" in all of college sports.
You don't wait for Nick Saban to leave Alabama, who is 4th largest. Even the mighty Saban at Alabama can be beaten. You don't roll over and emphasize basketball if your the FIFTH LARGEST entity worth nearly a BILLION dollars.
You don't lost to Troy in your own stadium, either.
This is a very logical and fair response, RedPop.
However - I'm not suggesting we've completely given up on football. We're just taking a break.
Explain to me otherwise why we would hire Coach Orgeron as a fith largest entity, to your point???
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:56 am to Bawser
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Explain to me otherwise why we would hire Coach Orgeron
Because Joe Alleva made an irrational, emotional decision in the name of his own pride in the wake of losing Tom Herman to Texas. It's a mistake that will cost him his job.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:56 am to Brummy
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Everyone loses to Bama every year.
Exactly.
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LSU reported $22M in donations directly to the athletic department attributable to football for the 2016 fiscal year - that doesn't include TAF donations. You think that if LSU's program deteriorated to the point that we're barely making bowl games every year, that those contributions would only drop by a few million?
Agree to disagree on the expectations - I do not think Alleva believed we would be squeaking by to be bowl eligible. My thinkining is Alleva believed we would stay middle of the pack - not much dropoff from the past 5 years with Miles, but at a discount.
He holds onto Coach O as long as he can until the right coach comes around, or Saban leaves.
Explain to me otherwise, why would we hire Coach O?
He either isn't convinced we can win a championship, or is the stupidest person on the planet hiring a DL coach with a terrible, losing SEC HC record?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:57 am to Bawser
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Explain to me otherwise why we would hire Coach Orgeron
Becasue he is a bad Ad who made a bad and hasty decision after not being able to close the deal with Herman.
When Herman signed with Texas, Alleva basically said 'Screw you guys, I'm going home" and just gave the job to O.
He had no plan B and now this is what we are stuck with. Simple as that.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:59 am to memphis tiger
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Becasue he is a bad Ad who made a bad and hasty decision after not being able to close the deal with Herman.
When Herman signed with Texas, Alleva basically said 'Screw you guys, I'm going home" and just gave the job to O.
He had no plan B and now this is what we are stuck with. Simple as that.
That's a fair point. My theory still stands, however.
I think he did not put in enough effort to get Herman or Fisher - or did not think we would get them to begin with. He knew he was going to hire Coach O since last season after Miles was fired.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:00 am to Bawser
I disagree because it wasn't allevas history at Duke that was 100% Mike Krzyzewski. Anything Alleva had to handle at Duke such arse the lacrosse scandal he botched
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:01 am to Bawser
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Explain to me otherwise why we would hire Coach Orgeron as a fith largest entity, to your point???
To understand and explain that, I would have to be inside Joe Alleva's head. I'm not in there, and I'm not him, so for me to explain why would be pure ignorance. I know my limits.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:03 am to Bawser
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My theory still stands, however.
Sure, in the same way that the flat earth theory stands in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:03 am to Bawser
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This post was edited on 9/30/20 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:04 am to RedPop4
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To understand and explain that, I would have to be inside Joe Alleva's head. I'm not in there, and I'm not him, so for me to explain why would be pure ignorance. I know my limits.
It's a dangerous thing to do, which is where I came up with this theory
My IQ has lowered 50 pts as a result.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:05 am to Brummy
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Sure, in the same way that the flat earth theory stands in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.
If the earth is round, then why are we not falling off of it?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:06 am to Bawser
This little "theory" will get him fired.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:07 am to Bawser
The OP makes no sense from a financial perspective.
LSU athletics depends solely on Football to run the remaining athletic department. Basketball will never generate enough revenue to keep the rest of the programs going.
Its really simpler than that....Alleva thought he was the smartest guy in the room and that he could hire a guy that no one else wanted. Too many fans/supporters showed great interest in having O as head coach because he fits the culture. Alleva said hey, lets try it.
He was obviously wrong.
LSU athletics depends solely on Football to run the remaining athletic department. Basketball will never generate enough revenue to keep the rest of the programs going.
Its really simpler than that....Alleva thought he was the smartest guy in the room and that he could hire a guy that no one else wanted. Too many fans/supporters showed great interest in having O as head coach because he fits the culture. Alleva said hey, lets try it.
He was obviously wrong.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:07 am to dixiechick
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I'm going with my theory and looking past the death of football as the end game... rather a step in the process of something much bigger. King was put in place for a reason. He's the closer. Starve the school of funding( this would include working with Alleva b/c football is a huge $$$ maker, legislature, lil Booby, JBE, BOS, Foundation... all support privatization) and then make the claim that the only thing left to save the school is to privatize, for business interests to completely take over the school. I believe there is a coup taking place... lots of money for private business to be made off taxpayers. Football might come back once school is privarized.... maybe. There, I said it.
This deserves its own thread, dixie.
Also - pics??
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:10 am to SportTiger1
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The OP makes no sense from a financial perspective.
LSU athletics depends solely on Football to run the remaining athletic department. Basketball will never generate enough revenue to keep the rest of the programs going.
Re-read my post. I'm not saying we've ditched football completely, to your point it's our cash cow.
My point is that Alleva must think he can run a mediocre football program, bring in similar revenue numbers because Coach O is a likeable cajun - all the while rebuilding our basketball program.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:12 am to Bawser
This theory gives Alleva way too much credit, he's not that strategic.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:18 am to TxTiger82
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This theory gives Alleva way too much credit, he's not that strategic.
Kind of like all the credit people like to give Trump.
"Ah, he only said/did that to take your attention away from this other thing."
ok
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:20 am to sicboy
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Kind of like all the credit people like to give Trump.
"Ah, he only said/did that to take your attention away from this other thing."
It's a diversion bro...open your third eye
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