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re: My Biggest complaint........ the Team quitting
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:17 pm to The Mick
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:17 pm to The Mick
Bear Bryant slipped for 2 or 3 years around 69-70. He put in the wishbone and had great success for another 7 or 8 years. He slipped the last 2 or 3 years, but now we know it was because he was dying.
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Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:18 pm to Petrol0204
quote:You are right - they never quit for Cholly Mac. If for no other reason than reprisals next practice would have been brutal. He was Ole War Skule old school and coached like it.
McClendon: Don't really recall a time they quit. In 74-75 they didnt have good talent and other teams like Texas AM and even Miss State and Kentucky were good.
Our present coach defies description. It sometimes looks like his philosophy is that "a little bit of sugar (or joking) makes the medicine go down."
Except there are definite areas of breakdown and undisciplined behavior on and off the field that show how poor a coaching rationale that is with today's modern players. There needs to be accountability, but not petty benching of star players for occasional fumbles.
It's been a gradual slide that IMO is gaining momentum this year.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:23 pm to JawjaTigah
Who's our team leaders? They need to unite these boys and close strong.
Big question I have here too. Somebody on campus would have to answer this one.
Big question I have here too. Somebody on campus would have to answer this one.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:25 pm to TutHillTiger
Then explain how we dominated the first half? They made adjustments, we turned the ball over and didnt. I dont think the players are quitting. I just think some of them arent very good. Bama actually came out flat, mccaron got off to a slow start. So in reality bama only played one half of great football.
All these losses have been a direct result of the defense. Chavis needs to fix this. Either recruit diff players, or get your scheme to fit the guys you do have. what hes doing now is not working and its been over a year now since they started shitting the bed.
All these losses have been a direct result of the defense. Chavis needs to fix this. Either recruit diff players, or get your scheme to fit the guys you do have. what hes doing now is not working and its been over a year now since they started shitting the bed.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:27 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:His record wasnt that spectacular if we're being honest. How can you say they never quit, total unknown and it was a loooong time ago. Won the SEC 1 time (once) in 17 years according to Wiki.
they never quit for Cholly Mac.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:28 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
quote:
still support Miles, but the lack of consistency with whatever message he is trying to send the players just doesn't make any sense. I know the players see the discrepancies and it has to create animosity. A player is benched for fumbling or for picking up a PI penalty, yet another player can basically quit doing his job and get our starting QB hurt and there aren't any consequences whatsoever. At least not yet.
Ive always been under the impression that wilson says who runs the ball. Just my reasoning as to why there isnt consistency. because Miles isnt making all the calls. Hes letting the position coaches do that.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:29 pm to dgnx6
quote:Two fumbles vs Bama, Three INT's vs Ole Miss certainly contributed to the losses. Very much so.
All these losses have been a direct result of the defense
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:33 pm to The Mick
Any other year the scores in the losses would have won us games. Even if at least we go up 10-0 we lost by 21. No way bama wasn't going to win with the way our d gas been playing.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:34 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:
They literally gave up 2nd half of the NC game
Actually I think most people were pretty impressed that the defense continued to fight there asses off and keep them out of the end zone as long as they did. The offense didn't quit, just continued to get beat like they had all game.
quote:
packed it in last year after Bama loss
I'll grant you the defense looked disinterested with so many knowing they were going pro. But the O surely didn't quit.
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and clearly quit in the 4th quarter versus Bama this week
Why do you assume they quit??? Bama is better than LSU this year. Our D played over their heads in the first quarter, and when the O didn't capitalize and force Bama to play from behind, the pounding just took it's toll over the course of the game.
We had a 50 yard FG drive out of half time to tie it up, then Bama just overwhelmed our completely outmatched D and drove the field and milked the clock.
LSU only got the ball three more times.
Just not sure why I've seen this talked about so much.
Did every team that LSU's pulled away from in the second half during the 2011 run "quit"?? Did Oregon, WV, Ark, UGA "quit", or did LSU assert itself as the better team?
Alabama is a better team than us. Didn't they just do what they should have been doing all game? Why is it necessary to call the team quitters when they played much better than anyone thought they could for three quarters?
This post was edited on 11/14/13 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:38 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
Why is it necessary to call the team quitters when they played much better than anyone thought they could for three quarters?
I'll bet Mett would have some strong, lucid thoughts about this statement.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:39 pm to dgnx6
Agreed.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:42 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:
I'll bet Mett would have some strong, lucid thoughts about this statement.
Again, all the times over the years when LSU has been the better team, and our D starts pinning their ears back and getting after the opposing QBs and just look unblockable, have those teams quit??
I like to think our dominant Ds have worn on teams and they just can't stop us anymore after 3 hours of punishment no matter how hard they try.
Kind of looked exactly like what we saw at the end of the game Saturday. Our OL was just getting beat. Plain and simple.
Why is it always LSU imposed their will when we do it, but our OL quit when a better team does it to us?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:43 pm to The Mick
quote:1. It was a loooong time ago, but I go back a loooong, looooong time and I remember first-hand. LSU under Cholly Mac, did not quit.
His record wasnt that spectacular if we're being honest. How can you say they never quit, total unknown and it was a loooong time ago.
2. Cholly Mac's record was not spectacular, but it was pretty darn good for the times. Ten game seasons, fewer bowls, no divisions in the smaller SEC or playoffs. Mac specialized in making LSU the "spoiler" in big games, like the Cotton Bowl in 1964 when the 7-3 Tigers beat the #2 unbeaten for 22 games Arkansas Razorbacks of the SWC.
This is something of a generalization, but other than Alabama under Bryant at the top most years, LSU under Mac was mostly always in the thick of things in the SEC along with Tennessee, UGA, sometimes Ole Miss, and Auburn, with Florida up and coming. Moo U, Vandy and Kentucky were mostly also-rans - but sometimes Kentucky could field a pretty good team back then.
This post was edited on 11/14/13 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:49 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:
clearly quit in the 4th quarter versus Bama this week.
Can't argue with most of what you said, except maybe the quitting part. I watched the game and have replayed it a couple of times (don't know why), and the question I have is whether the quit, or whether Alabama simply exploited our lack of talent and depth. Our depth has been a major strong point for us over the last 10 years or so, and we have had the ability to substitute liberally without a significant drop in talent, giving us the ability to keep fresh legs on the field. That has really helped us in the 4th quarter. This year it's been evident that we're not deep. And when playing a team that is as talented and deep as Alabama, that's a problem. It looked to me that Bama's game plan was to be patient, avoid mistakes, be conservative and control the ball until our D was worn out. IMO, we saw midway through the 3rd Q, with the fake punt and the D's realization that they weren't getting off the field, that our depth had played out. That's when Bama stepped on the gas.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 4:17 pm to TutHillTiger
Bye, Curley.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 4:22 pm to jmswp4
quote:
It looked to me that Bama's game plan was to be patient, avoid mistakes, be conservative and control the ball until our D was worn out. IMO, we saw midway through the 3rd Q, with the fake punt and the D's realization that they weren't getting off the field, that our depth had played out.
I think we were ready for the fake, and they still converted. The game was over at that point, as coaching obviously didn't matter - they were out-executing us, period.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 4:24 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:No. We had 3 lineman and doubled the gunners. We had the punt return on all the way.
I think we were ready for the fake
quote:17-17 at the time.
The game was over at that point
This post was edited on 11/14/13 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 11/14/13 at 4:27 pm to The Mick
quote:
17-17 at the time.
And should have been 21-14 - but even if it was - Bama would have won anyway.
The game was lost on the fake punt (or, no later than the TD at the end of that drive.)
Posted on 11/14/13 at 4:40 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
And should have been 21-14 - but even if it was - Bama would have won anyway. The game was lost on the fake punt (or, no later than the TD at the end of that drive.)
Yipper skipper....that play took the "want" out of every player in P/G on the field.
Told my buddy watching with me at that moment.."its over now." Damn I'm smart!!!
Posted on 11/14/13 at 5:50 pm to RedTigerRulz
not trying to hijack the thread, but a question along the same lines..
we had a lot of players go to the NFL,
we know some should not have.
Did some of the quit on LSU ?
was 1-9-12 a catalyst ?
we had a lot of players go to the NFL,
we know some should not have.
Did some of the quit on LSU ?
was 1-9-12 a catalyst ?
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