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re: Most Difficult National Championship to bring back to BR
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:58 am to dickieVtheTiger
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:58 am to dickieVtheTiger
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Basketball.
Single elimination tournament, and upsets occur often, upsets happen in Baseball as well, but there is of course double elimination.
Whenever you have 2 losses and win a BCS national championship, that can't be the hardest.
In general no matter school, I have to agree with this. Baseball, hell, you play the Regionals and Super Regionals at home, Double elimination.....then yeah football is tough with the human poll but you can slip up in the regular season and bounce back. In the NCAA Tournament, there's no mercy. 3-4 bad trips down the court, few bad minutes....you're going home. NCAA Basketball Tournament gets my vote.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 2:54 am to LaBR4
Basketball - most difficult, since we haven't won one yet, and we have had teams capable of doing it. This "inferrior facility" angle is hog wash.
Baseball - harder, like some of you said, so many games, but the double elimination is a plus. A team can loose as many as 4 games, once tournament play starts, and win the championship, plus the tigers have history on their side in this sport. Yes, it does help.
Football - Hard to win, but to loose the last regular season game, which made the 2nd loss, and still play for the NC, all I can say is, thank the BCS god's and the human polls for that one.
Baseball - harder, like some of you said, so many games, but the double elimination is a plus. A team can loose as many as 4 games, once tournament play starts, and win the championship, plus the tigers have history on their side in this sport. Yes, it does help.
Football - Hard to win, but to loose the last regular season game, which made the 2nd loss, and still play for the NC, all I can say is, thank the BCS god's and the human polls for that one.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:16 am to LaBR4
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Auburn-2004 Football team was in the NC mix, didn't pan out. Not even close to winning anything in basketball or baseball.
wrong. Auburn was in the CWS in 1997. I know, I was there, and I'm pretty sure that makes them close to winning. Auburn also won the SEC in basketball in 1999, but choked in the tournament
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Ole Miss- Nothing close in any of the big three.
Ole Miss has been close in baseball, but can't get over the hump, but they're definitely capable and have been for awhile
Posted on 2/24/09 at 7:08 am to chip207
Equestrian...saw where Aubrun brought home the National title this year....why can't we?
Posted on 2/24/09 at 8:37 am to LaBR4
Football is by far the hardest
Football is the only sport of the three where the season actually matters. You screw up once and you could be out of the hunt
Basketball and baseball, because of the playoff format, the regular season is just jockeying for seeding and a spot in the post season field.
In football you need to be hot from start to end, while the other two, a late season hot streak can mean a title.
(if you haven't guesed, i'm opposed to a football playoff system)
Football is the only sport of the three where the season actually matters. You screw up once and you could be out of the hunt
Basketball and baseball, because of the playoff format, the regular season is just jockeying for seeding and a spot in the post season field.
In football you need to be hot from start to end, while the other two, a late season hot streak can mean a title.
(if you haven't guesed, i'm opposed to a football playoff system)
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:05 am to lsufball19
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wrong. Auburn was in the CWS in 1997. I know, I was there, and I'm pretty sure that makes them close to winning. Auburn also won the SEC in basketball in 1999, but choked in the tournament
Yes, I was there too, hell almost everbody in the SEC West was there that year too, but still Auburn wasn't really close to winning it.
Sure Auburn had Chris Porter, but didn't make a huge splash in the Tournament, again, not really that close.
Ole Miss.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:08 am to LaBR4
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Ole Miss.
ole miss may have yet to make the cws (they're a bunch of chokers), but they still put out good baseball teams every year that have the potential to reach the cws most years; however, they always find a way to piss it away
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:13 am to lsufball19
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ole miss may have yet to make the cws (they're a bunch of chokers),
True, Bianco is a good coach. In football Houston will have them consistently in the Top 20 or so, IMHO. Kennedy looks solid, just not the public relations person, but the guy can coach. Actually things are looking up for the Rebels these days. Kinda surprising.
This post was edited on 2/24/09 at 11:15 am
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:17 am to LaBR4
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Vandy-Nothing close,
they did lose out in the regional, but they were the #1 overall seed in 07
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:18 am to CHEEEEESE
Typical Vandy, they would have blown in it the 4th quarter, I don't care if were talking about baseball or not.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:54 am to LaBR4
Florida had a very special run primarily because they had 3 NBA draft picks (ETC: Green was not a 1st round pick) who also happened to have family wealth by virtue of their fathers' prior professional sport experience. Thusly, there was no need for them to go pro early.
Adding Brewer and the white sharpshooter to the mix will result in consecutive championships all of the time.
Florida won absolutely nothing with Roberson, Walsh, and Lee, who are great college players in their own right.
LSU's NBA prospects came from broken homes and in squalor.
Adding Brewer and the white sharpshooter to the mix will result in consecutive championships all of the time.
Florida won absolutely nothing with Roberson, Walsh, and Lee, who are great college players in their own right.
LSU's NBA prospects came from broken homes and in squalor.
This post was edited on 2/24/09 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:04 pm to Jaydeaux
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BCS is the toughest but for LSU Basketball. Only Three SEC teams have won it. We're not one of them.
1935...
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:07 pm to LaBR4
Has to be Softball!
Since LSU has won the last hardball NC trophy they've won 2 BCS NC's. It's pretty obvious that basketball is the most difficult.
I find that over time (I'm 38), watching March Madness on tv and the internet makes it more dramatic and personal b/c you can watch every game if you want to.
If a team wins a certain way, it seems to have a lot of staying power in peoples memories for some reason.
I wanted it BAD in '86 MAN!! frick YOU PERVIS!!
sorry if Germans
If this stupid basketball team wins it all this year, I'll catapult into a zone of fandomhood that will be as sweet as any of the BCS wins IMO.
Plus, I haven't experienced it yet.
LSU winning hockey would be super sweet too. (does USC have a hockey team??)
Here's the thing,.. You can get prepared for the BCS games, but you can't get prepared for the suddenness of winning so many HUMONGOUS games in so little time, then after those games, winning it all! I want that.
Freak us all out please, team.
Since LSU has won the last hardball NC trophy they've won 2 BCS NC's. It's pretty obvious that basketball is the most difficult.
I find that over time (I'm 38), watching March Madness on tv and the internet makes it more dramatic and personal b/c you can watch every game if you want to.
If a team wins a certain way, it seems to have a lot of staying power in peoples memories for some reason.
I wanted it BAD in '86 MAN!! frick YOU PERVIS!!
sorry if Germans
If this stupid basketball team wins it all this year, I'll catapult into a zone of fandomhood that will be as sweet as any of the BCS wins IMO.
Plus, I haven't experienced it yet.
LSU winning hockey would be super sweet too. (does USC have a hockey team??)
Here's the thing,.. You can get prepared for the BCS games, but you can't get prepared for the suddenness of winning so many HUMONGOUS games in so little time, then after those games, winning it all! I want that.
Freak us all out please, team.
This post was edited on 2/24/09 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:47 pm to LaBR4
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I guess my question was two fold, which is the most difficult in general to win, and for us specifically was it more difficult to win the CWS or BCS Title.
Just saw this thread and in reading it I was going to say it is really two questions. I agree with the idea that basketball will the toughest to bring to BR.
The other question depends on which school. For some schools it is nearly impossible to win the BCS. A school not in a major conference must not only go undefeated, but have the leaders in the major conferences loss twice and then also be a media favorite. For many schools this is just not going to happen.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 1:03 pm to LaBR4
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2. NCAA Tournament
IMHO, this should be 1. if for no other reason there are soooo many more schools at the D1 lever, many w/o FB programs that can just pour money into their BB team.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 4:10 pm to TexTgrTed
Football is definately the most difficult. When is the last time a team went undefeated throughout the entire season/post season in basketball or baseball and didn't win championship? This is common in football.
This post was edited on 2/24/09 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 2/24/09 at 4:30 pm to Tiger Vision
There are a lot of ways to look at this. In a numbers sense, football has less competition (only 119 other teams as opposed to the 300+ playing Div. I basketball and baseball). On the other hand, no other sport comes close to the investment top schools put into football, so the competition level in that sense is much higher. Also, the formats (as have been discussed) have an impact and create more different ways of looking at it. The Baseball playoffs, with a 64 team double elimination tournament, are (imo) the most likely to produce the best team in the country as the champion. Thus, in order to win that one, you pretty much have to actually be the best team in the country which is very hard. On the other hand, Basketball has a 64 team single-elimination tournament, which almost guarantees multiple upsets and greatly reduces the chance that the truly best team actually wins the championship. Thus, it requires a substantial amount of luck that is impossible to control. So in that sense, it is also very hard. Football has the BCS, which involves many factors that -- like luck -- are not truly controllable by the teams, but are also not random (e.g., the polls). Thus, the system in football has an inherent opportunity for bias making it harder for some teams to win it than others. Combined with the luck needed to survive a season where one loss can easily eliminate you from contention and two will almost certainly do it, plus the incredible investment of resources by the top level teams, and there are more ways to screw up a football championship bid than either of the other two.
In the end, I think it is harder in general for a school to win a championship in football because it requires the highest investment of resources to achieve (which in my opinion is the best measure of difficulty). For LSU specifically, given the way we have allocated resources, I think Basketball will be the hardest to achieve because it is the one least likely to ascend to the level of being the best team in the country, and even if it did it would still require a significant amount of luck to win it. And while the luck factor would serve to help our odds while we are not the best team, that help is distributed equally among the hundreds of teams in competition, and especially the other 63 teams in the tourney (besides us and the true "best team").
In the end, I think it is harder in general for a school to win a championship in football because it requires the highest investment of resources to achieve (which in my opinion is the best measure of difficulty). For LSU specifically, given the way we have allocated resources, I think Basketball will be the hardest to achieve because it is the one least likely to ascend to the level of being the best team in the country, and even if it did it would still require a significant amount of luck to win it. And while the luck factor would serve to help our odds while we are not the best team, that help is distributed equally among the hundreds of teams in competition, and especially the other 63 teams in the tourney (besides us and the true "best team").
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