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re: More Q&A from Cam Cameron Part 2 of 3
Posted on 2/27/15 at 2:41 pm to chilge1
Posted on 2/27/15 at 2:41 pm to chilge1
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yet let's not act like Jennings was seasoned, either.
I'm not saying Jennings was seasoned but this is an NFL level pro style offense that had to be simplified for Jennings (because he has neither the arm nor experience to run it at peak performance), and Harris didn't grasp that. I think most of the problem was youth and inexperience, plus he was pretty raw as a QB prospect out of high school.
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Posted on 2/27/15 at 2:59 pm to Datbayoubengal
jennings has been on campus since january 2013, over two years now heading into year three. if he's not improved, how long does miles stick with him? how long will it take for him to give up on him as the QB of the team?
Posted on 2/27/15 at 3:01 pm to monsterballads
Miles will never give up on a kid, and he should not.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 3:06 pm to monsterballads
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if he's not improved, how long does miles stick with him? how long will it take for him to give up on him as the QB of the team?
If Jennings is the starting QB for the season opener and somehow has not progressed beyond what we have seen thus far in his young career, I imagine that we will see Harris getting first team reps within the first 3 games.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 3:11 pm to JJ27
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Miles will never give up on a kid, and he should not.
welter was benched for continued poor play
Posted on 2/27/15 at 3:13 pm to monsterballads
Welter also played in every game this season.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 3:27 pm to chilge1
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If Jennings is the starting QB for the season opener and somehow has not progressed beyond what we have seen thus far in his young career, I imagine that we will see Harris getting first team reps within the first 3 games.
No we wont.
Lee was vastly improved in 2011. LSU was undefeated after playing 6 ranked opponents (several on the road) yet Leslie couldnt wait to get JJ in the game, and splitting 1st team reps in practice. "Gave us the best chance to win", yet no QB in SEC history has played worse than JJ in his last two games
Harris will never start while AJ is at LSU. Miles will not allow his decisions to be proven wrong!!
Posted on 2/27/15 at 3:48 pm to League Champs
And yet, when Jefferson took over as the starting QB, the offense improved noticeably....
#5 Oregon - 70 plays, 273 yards, 3.9 yards per play
NW St - 66 plays, 400 yards, 6.1 yards per play
MSST - 65 plays, 361 yards, 5.6 yards per play
#23 WVU - 69 plays, 366 yards, 5.3 yards per play
Kentucky - 67 plays, 348 yards, 5.2 yards per play
Florida - 63 plays, 453 yards, 7.2 yards per play
Tennessee - 69 plays, 383 yards, 5.6 yards per play
#25 Auburn - 59 plays, 393 yards, 6.7 yards per play
Average of
66 plays, 376 yards, 5.7 yards per play
W. Kent - 59 plays, 474 yards, 8.0 yards per play
Ole Miss - 58 plays, 458 yards, 7.9 yards per play
#6 Arkansas - 75 plays, 494 yards, 6.6 yards per play
#16 Georgia - 48 plays, 237 yards, 4.9 yards per play
Average of
60 plays, 416 yards, 6.9 yards per play
#5 Oregon - 70 plays, 273 yards, 3.9 yards per play
NW St - 66 plays, 400 yards, 6.1 yards per play
MSST - 65 plays, 361 yards, 5.6 yards per play
#23 WVU - 69 plays, 366 yards, 5.3 yards per play
Kentucky - 67 plays, 348 yards, 5.2 yards per play
Florida - 63 plays, 453 yards, 7.2 yards per play
Tennessee - 69 plays, 383 yards, 5.6 yards per play
#25 Auburn - 59 plays, 393 yards, 6.7 yards per play
Average of
66 plays, 376 yards, 5.7 yards per play
W. Kent - 59 plays, 474 yards, 8.0 yards per play
Ole Miss - 58 plays, 458 yards, 7.9 yards per play
#6 Arkansas - 75 plays, 494 yards, 6.6 yards per play
#16 Georgia - 48 plays, 237 yards, 4.9 yards per play
Average of
60 plays, 416 yards, 6.9 yards per play
Posted on 2/27/15 at 4:53 pm to chilge1
And we left out the 2 Bama games that the QB was mainly JJ, for what reason?
Oh, I see now:
58 plays, 239 yards, 4.1 yards per play
44 plays, 92 yards, 2.1 yards per play
Which brings JJs season average to :
57 plays, 332.5 yards, 5.8 yards per play
Lees numbers were better, thats why. Nice try tho. Miles still aint starting Harris no matter how you try to lie about the offense at the end of 2011
Posted on 2/27/15 at 4:56 pm to League Champs
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And we left out the 2 Bama games that the QB was mainly JJ, for what reason?
Because that was arguably the best defense that CFB has produced this decade.
Do you really want to do a comparison of Jefferson and Lee that involves Alabama? When they met in November, Lee threw 7 passes and had 2 INTs before getting pulled.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 4:56 pm to monsterballads
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if he's not improved, how long does miles stick with him? how long will it take for him to give up on him as the QB of the team?
I'll give it middle of Auburn game. IMO, I think Harris does what is needed to overtake Jennings and gets declared starter the week leading up to the first game.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 5:34 pm to League Champs
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League Champs
Oh look, it's the clear Bama fan troll that registered the week of the Bama LSU game in 2012.
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Lee was vastly improved in 2011. LSU was undefeated after playing 6 ranked opponents (several on the road) yet Leslie couldnt wait to get JJ in the game,
How many passes did JJ and Lee each attempt in the four games after JJ was reinstated??
Lee was the starter until he proved, yet again, that he could not perform against a Saban defense. JJ was successful against Bama in his first three games against Saban before 1/9. Lee was not. This is not complicated, or a point of debate.
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Harris will never start while AJ is at LSU.
He already did start you stupid frick.
I am going to do the board a favor and make a year long ban bet with you right now that unless Jennings is an All SEC caliber QB next year, Harris will be our starter at some point next year.
Take the ban bet or shut your fricking gaping pussy troll mouth.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 5:43 pm to JJ27
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Miles will never give up on a kid, and he should not.
Dumbest thing I've read on here in a long time.
Coaches must continuously evaluate their players and make changes when necessary. That's not "giving up on a kid," it's merely doing what's best for the team.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 5:45 pm to chilge1
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Lee threw 7 passes and had 2 INTs before getting pulled.
Jennings threw two INT's vs ole miss. Kept on playing.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 6:03 pm to atltiger6487
Where did I say he should stick with him? I said he won't give up on the kid, and he won't.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 6:43 pm to monsterballads
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Jennings threw two INT's vs ole miss. Kept on playing.
I'm not sure what the relevance is here unless you're attempting to argue that a starting QB should be pulled every time he has a game with multiple INTs. For the record, Jennings attempted ONE pass against Ole Miss after his 2nd INT... the play-action TD to Stokes, so clearly action was taken by the coaching staff.. it was just pretty obvious that they weren't going to be playing Harris in that situation.
You're better off using the New Mexico State game as a comparison. Jennings committed a turnover on 3 of the first 4 possessions and didn't see the field for the rest of the game. His backup then started the next week.
Do you honestly believe that if Harris had led the offense to 400+ yards and four straight 40+ point games that Jennings would have ever reclaimed the starting gig?
Posted on 2/27/15 at 7:53 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Lee was the starter until he proved, yet again, that he could not perform against a Saban defense. JJ was successful against Bama in his first three games against Saban before 1/9. Lee was not.
Why do you guys feel the need to lie to prop up Miles poor decision making?
Lee came in and completed a 3rd and 13 vs Bama to keep them from once again beating LSU on the last drive in 2010 (Something JJ could have never done). And he was 2/2 for 19 yards in 2011 before Miles bizarrely brought in JJ to pick up a 1st down on the very first series
No other coach in all of FBS brings in his backup QB to pick up a 3rd down, when his starting QB is perfect on the day
Posted on 2/27/15 at 8:01 pm to League Champs
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Lee came in and completed a 3rd and 13 vs Bama to keep them from once again beating LSU on the last drive in 2010
And how many points did that 3rd down conversion get us?
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And he was 2/2 for 19 yards in 2011 before Miles bizarrely brought in JJ to pick up a 1st down on the very first series
And JJ did pick up a 1st down on the series. And then Lee went 1/5 for 5 yards and 2 INTS until he was pulled from the game.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 8:30 pm to chilge1
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And how many points did that 3rd down conversion get us?
OK, lets play that game. How many points did a play by JJ get us in either Bama game?
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And then Lee went 1/5 for 5 yards and 2 INTS until he was pulled from the game.
And here we go, with another lie.
Lee played one more series. JJ came in with 12 min left in the 2nd qtr with the game tied at 0. JJ played the remainder of the 2nd qtr, started the 3rd qtr, and played most of it before Lee came in for that 1 play.
So to say he wasn't pulled until his 2nd int is an outright lie
Posted on 2/27/15 at 8:45 pm to League Champs
Whatever spin you want to put on it, LSU's offense clearly performed better with Jefferson in the lineup than it did with Lee. I've already shown you that.
You want to harp on the two games against Alabama in 2011, for some reason, as evidence that Les made a shitty decision to put Jefferson in against that team, even though one QB clearly performed better against Alabama than the other over the length of his career.
24/58 for 316 yards 1 TD 7 INT QB Rating 68.7
37/57 for 375 yards 2 TD 1 INT QB Rating 128.2
Les played Jefferson in 2011 because he was the better option. Les played Jennings in 2014 because he was the better option.
Nobody knows a damn about who the better option will be in 2015, so just go sit in a corner and pout until the QB competition resolves itself.
You want to harp on the two games against Alabama in 2011, for some reason, as evidence that Les made a shitty decision to put Jefferson in against that team, even though one QB clearly performed better against Alabama than the other over the length of his career.
24/58 for 316 yards 1 TD 7 INT QB Rating 68.7
37/57 for 375 yards 2 TD 1 INT QB Rating 128.2
Les played Jefferson in 2011 because he was the better option. Les played Jennings in 2014 because he was the better option.
Nobody knows a damn about who the better option will be in 2015, so just go sit in a corner and pout until the QB competition resolves itself.
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