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Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:18 am to Tiger Ryno
Yes they do. Freshmen year, bunch of band guys on a free ride in Kirby.
I get it, you want to attract top quality students regardless of what degree they are going for.
But them, golden girls, tiger girls, etc. getting stipends is ridiculous.
Yeah they are part of all the pageantry and what not, but that's not what's selling TV deals and tickets.
I get it, you want to attract top quality students regardless of what degree they are going for.
But them, golden girls, tiger girls, etc. getting stipends is ridiculous.
Yeah they are part of all the pageantry and what not, but that's not what's selling TV deals and tickets.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:31 am to TigerCard
quote:hold on there chief. i have since found out that the s.o.m. did have a clause in the contract for the athletic dept allocation of funds for tiger band. so, they actually did have a say and roy was basically giving them the finger for years and they got tired of it. apparently, he was offering way more than he should have to some students and was offering some students to come back for a 5th and 6th year.
all the bogus charges leveled at Roy King (an LSU alum and loyal employee for over 20 years) were just an excuse to get rid of him since he refused "play ball" and allow Tiger Band scholarship money be used for other purposes
now, i do agree that some of the charges were trumped up but, there's certainly enough blame to go around.
quote:a lot of this is on roy. frankly, he's not a great director.
the band's quality has gone down a bit in recent years
quote:it's also my understanding that the 2 new directors are quite good, much better than roy so, this issue might be mitigated a bit and the band could actually get slightly better.
That problem will be greatly exacerbated in the future if this is allowed to stand, and you will definitely notice a difference in the quality of the band, if not this year, then very soon.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:36 am to semjase
quote:not exactly. the reason why tiger band has been better than everyone else since before i got in the band is because lsu set the standard with the stipends. the money lured more music majors into the band and they therefore, play with a better sound than what other bands could "afford." so, the money absolutely makes a difference. other schools started following suit, coupled with roy not being great and the gap closes.
The "Quality" or "Entertainment Value" of GBFTL half-time shows has little to do with who's on scholarship or how much the "Stipends/Service Awards" are. It's 100% on the Directors and the "Quality" of their Show Designs
quote:when i was in band, i thought this was the arrangement but, when i talked with my "sources," this has apparently changed.
Myself and most Tiger Band Alums wouldn't mind seeing the entire Tiger Band Organization totally removed from any School of Music control and put under LSU Athletic Department control 100%
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:41 am to dgnx6
quote:it's like a job. if you're on scholarship and work at chimes, you get paid by chimes. same with tiger band. tiger band has nothing to do with any classes you're taking related to your major or any s.o.m. ensembles. remember, non music majors can audition for tiger band. they deserve to be compensated for their time.
that would be ridiculous if they are get stipend as well
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:43 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:no. you get a scholarship for being a student, such as a music major. tiger band is like a job. it's not an ensemble like orchestra or wind ensemble or string quartet or your recital, etc.
They give scholarships for band???
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:17 pm to TigerCard
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So the money that has gone to reward Tiger Band members (and attract quality musicians to the band) in the past will now be used to recruit students for the SOM. (Remember, this is athletic department money!)
OR, the athletic department can cut off the funding.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:23 pm to TigerCard
Who cares that much about the band?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:31 pm to TigerCard
Sure it's about money, but now it's about money with a LATIN FLAIR!!!
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:47 pm to bfniii
quote:
i have since found out that the s.o.m. did have a clause in the contract for the athletic dept allocation of funds for tiger band. so, they actually did have a say and roy was basically giving them the finger for years and they got tired of it. apparently, he was offering way more than he should have to some students and was offering some students to come back for a 5th and 6th year.
I'm not sure where you get your info.....but you are 100% wrong. There was no "contract" between the SOM and athletics for the Tiger Band budget. Based on my info (and reading the letter from LSU accusing Roy of completely false accusations), there very well may be a "contract" or "memo" already in place (or in the near future) removing all control of the Tiger Band budget from the Athletic Department. Thus, allowing the SOM to control the money. During Roy's time (and Frank Wickes), the Athletic Department had 100% control over the budget. In fact, the SOM never even knew how much the Tiger band received from Athletics.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:47 pm to Rickety Cricket
It sounds like tiger band alumni need to put the their money where their mouth is instead of spending other people's money. If the band is that important and I agree that it is, they should be able to stand on their own.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:03 pm to semjase
You know that Roy had to get permission from Talley to play any and all music right? And that Talley had to approve anything the band did on the field right? Talley wouldn't let Roy change the shows.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:54 pm to semjase
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I agree with Talley. The band is "Under Worked." You can't produce entertaining shows if you only practice 4 days a week for an hour and a half. Has to be M-F for a minimum of 2 hours, plus the Saturday practice for "Cleaning."
Myself and most Tiger Band Alums wouldn't mind seeing the entire Tiger Band Organization totally removed from any School of Music control and put under LSU Athletic Department control 100%.
Put everybody on "Athletic Scholarships" just like all the athletic teams. Hire an experienced and talented Band Director, pay them a great salary, transition to all "Brass and Percussion" (Like Ohio State and other Marching Band's) increase practice time, recruit great high school marching band brass players/drummers and you're ready to go.
It would be just like any sport at LSU.
This can and should be done if you have the right Director and Staff in place. You'd have to hire a really talented and experienced Director (Just like the Football coach) and let him hire a great Staff. (Just like in Football) It WOULD work and there would be an immediate and noticible improvement in the quality of the half-time shows, because their only job would be to produce creative, imaginative and entertaining half-time shows that people would WANT to watch!.............
What you're describing is a drum corps. There are a couple of bands at smaller schools who lean in that direction (including Jacksonville State, which will now NOT be coming to Tiger Stadium this fall) but there is no Power 5 band that does what you're describing. College band is NOT drum corps. They are two different animals designed for two different purposes.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:00 pm to Smalls
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So the money that has gone to reward Tiger Band members (and attract quality musicians to the band) in the past will now be used to recruit students for the SOM. (Remember, this is athletic department money!)
OR, the athletic department can cut off the funding.
Sounds logical, but the athletic department might well be told that they still have to provide the money, even though it will be controlled by the SOM. It wouldn't be the first time that the university has strong-armed to athletic department to contribute to other university functions.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:05 pm to Tiger Ryno
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They give scholarships for band???
For what it's worth, musicians are, after national merit scholars and athletes, the most highly recruited group of high school students. A good tuba player (for example) will often be offered a pretty hefty scholarship, even if he/she is not a music major, simply because a school's musical organizations need talented musicians. And a good musician who plans to major in music will be fought over by several different schools.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:08 pm to HeavyCore
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You know that Roy had to get permission from Talley to play any and all music right? And that Talley had to approve anything the band did on the field right? Talley wouldn't let Roy change the shows.
This isn't true. Talley would have loved to have that kind of control, but he didn't. (As far as I know, the sum total of his marching band experience was serving as a grad assistant at Texas.) He might now, however.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:11 pm to dgnx6
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Help me out here, band member get paid? I knew people get scholarships, but that would be ridiculous if they are get stipend as well.
We are talking a $1000 broke up in four payments during the fall semester. This to practice M-Th and Saturday mornings plus play the game. Being in the band is a labor of love not a money maker.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:28 pm to TigerCard
It's stated in the audit that it's true.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:53 pm to HeavyCore
quote:
It's stated in the audit that it's true.
I think the allegation was that this is the way it was supposed to work, but I know for a fact that is not how things have been done. I've known many other schools where the DOB is nominally in charge of the whole department but exercises little (if any) control over what the marching band does. Frank Wickes certainly was more hands on, but one of his titles was director of Tiger Band.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 3:41 pm to Irish LSU Fan
quote:i don't know if it was a literal, formal contract or just part of the process. either way, doesn't matter.
There was no "contract" between the SOM and athletics for the Tiger Band budget.
quote:it is my understanding the s.o.m. has say over some of the money, not all. hence, the issue. if they had no say at all, they would have no authority to question roy. this was my contention until i was informed otherwise.
there very well may be a "contract" or "memo" already in place (or in the near future) removing all control of the Tiger Band budget from the Athletic Department
quote:when i was in band, this was what we thought as well. that appears to have changed at some point.
During Roy's time (and Frank Wickes), the Athletic Department had 100% control over the budget
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