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Miles VS Crowton
Posted on 10/24/10 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 10/24/10 at 2:45 pm
There are many opinions on the subject about who's responsible for the abysmal LSU offensive production.
Some say Les Miles can overrule any offensive call and that the ultimate responsibility lies with the Head Coach, and they are right - it does. But let me ask you this. Do you pay an offensive coordinator $400,000 just so you have to overrule him on EVERY play? No.
In my opinion the offensive woes are the doing of Crowton. Here I give to you irrefutable proof (at least in my eyes) that "The Wizard" is the real reason our offense is once again ranked 100+ for the third straight year. LINK
Sounds familiar? That was in 2006 while he was at Oregon.
Check the records of the teams he's been in charge of the offense. See a pattern?
You can't say that Miles is stifling Crowtons creativity, this is a reoccurring theme of Gary Crowton's offenses.
Personally I believe GC is gone at the end of this year. And if the problem really is Miles' fault, the only way we'll be certain is if our offense is running the same predictable plays with a new OC in place for a year or two.
Some say Les Miles can overrule any offensive call and that the ultimate responsibility lies with the Head Coach, and they are right - it does. But let me ask you this. Do you pay an offensive coordinator $400,000 just so you have to overrule him on EVERY play? No.
In my opinion the offensive woes are the doing of Crowton. Here I give to you irrefutable proof (at least in my eyes) that "The Wizard" is the real reason our offense is once again ranked 100+ for the third straight year. LINK
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Crowton failed to take advantage of his highly athletic receivers. Instead he was worrying about which quarterback to play on which down.
Sounds familiar? That was in 2006 while he was at Oregon.
Check the records of the teams he's been in charge of the offense. See a pattern?
You can't say that Miles is stifling Crowtons creativity, this is a reoccurring theme of Gary Crowton's offenses.
Personally I believe GC is gone at the end of this year. And if the problem really is Miles' fault, the only way we'll be certain is if our offense is running the same predictable plays with a new OC in place for a year or two.
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Posted on 10/24/10 at 2:52 pm to xXLSUXx
all signs point to Crowton
He's the one changing personnel at the most inopportune moments, conceding 3rd and longs by calling run plays or passes that are 5 yds short of the sticks when executed correctly.
He's the one changing personnel at the most inopportune moments, conceding 3rd and longs by calling run plays or passes that are 5 yds short of the sticks when executed correctly.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 2:57 pm to Dobermann
PLEASE FIRE CROWTON 
Posted on 10/24/10 at 3:06 pm to xXLSUXx
Whatever the case, it is obvious that the Hat and GC are not on the same page (see last 4th down play yesterday!?)
Posted on 10/24/10 at 3:21 pm to xXLSUXx
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In my opinion the offensive woes are the doing of Crowton. Here I give to you irrefutable proof (at least in my eyes) that "The Wizard" is the real reason our offense is once again ranked 100+ for the third straight year
You may be right, but the buck stops with Miles. If he's not happy with Crowton, then he needs to fire his arse at the end of the season. LSU simply has too much talent to be wasted in this fashion. Miles can't afford to wait around for Crowton to get a job elsewhere. Nobody wants this clown after he has destroyed our offense like he did at BYU and Oregon.
I shudder to think what next season will be like if our entire coaching staff returns, JJ and JL are once again our only options at QB, and the Mettenberger kid decides to pass on LSU.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 3:24 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
Ultimately, it falls to Les Miles. He needs to get rid of Crowton and do whatever it takes to get Malzan to come to LSU. Oh yeah, get rid of JJ and JL and also do whatever it takes to get a quarterback. They are pitiful!!! 
Posted on 10/24/10 at 3:25 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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the buck stops with Miles.
I agree. It's Miles responsibility to get rid of dead weight and give his team the best chance of winning.
His job is tied to Crowton.
Gary is the anchor, whether or not Les let's it go or sinks remains to be seen.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 3:37 pm to mercychaplain
It would not matter who calls the plays or what part "Smiles" plays in the game.
Fact--LSU recruits talented players with limited mental ability to grasp complicated offence or defense. Our coaching staff top to bottom cannot grasp this concept.
Any middle range high school coach could plan his game around the mental level of his players.
Fact--LSU recruits talented players with limited mental ability to grasp complicated offence or defense. Our coaching staff top to bottom cannot grasp this concept.
Any middle range high school coach could plan his game around the mental level of his players.
Posted on 10/24/10 at 3:56 pm to 225tiger63
It's Crowton's offense. It's his style and what he runs. Les is stuck with it.
I honestly believe that Les thought that the o would improve this year with JJ being a year further along.
I watched the 07 game fri. night and it was the exact same crap we're seeing now as far as play calling except that Flynn did throw the ball downfield more. JJ started out throwing downfield this year. Remember the bomb to RR against UNC? But as the season has progressed and JJ regressed, he's gotten away from that and maybe JL's pick 6's are still stuck in LM amd GC's heads.
But I want to remind everyone that our receivers, like yesterday, have not been the most reliable ball catchers when their #'s have been called.
I think we only have 4-5 more games to suffer through with GC as OC. I also believe (and hope) that Les gets a new O line coach as well. A new D line coach wouldn't hurt either but that is not as glaring a need as the others.
And as we have seen, and as Fla. is learning, that offense is not nearly as effective without a monster qb like Newton and Tebow running it.
Take Newton out of the equation yesterday and I don't think AU wins, even as as badly as we did. The guy is better than Tebow. Tebow was just a bull-Newton is an athletic bull!
I honestly believe that Les thought that the o would improve this year with JJ being a year further along.
I watched the 07 game fri. night and it was the exact same crap we're seeing now as far as play calling except that Flynn did throw the ball downfield more. JJ started out throwing downfield this year. Remember the bomb to RR against UNC? But as the season has progressed and JJ regressed, he's gotten away from that and maybe JL's pick 6's are still stuck in LM amd GC's heads.
But I want to remind everyone that our receivers, like yesterday, have not been the most reliable ball catchers when their #'s have been called.
I think we only have 4-5 more games to suffer through with GC as OC. I also believe (and hope) that Les gets a new O line coach as well. A new D line coach wouldn't hurt either but that is not as glaring a need as the others.
And as we have seen, and as Fla. is learning, that offense is not nearly as effective without a monster qb like Newton and Tebow running it.
Take Newton out of the equation yesterday and I don't think AU wins, even as as badly as we did. The guy is better than Tebow. Tebow was just a bull-Newton is an athletic bull!
Posted on 10/24/10 at 4:17 pm to xXLSUXx
quote:I'm pretty sure he makes like $750K
Do you pay an offensive coordinator $400,000
Posted on 10/24/10 at 4:29 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
why split hairs fire them both
Posted on 10/24/10 at 4:33 pm to Lithium
Sadly there was a poor game plan as the team did not exploit their receiver advantage, etc. Also, the defense did not show up.
BOO HOO
BOO HOO
Posted on 10/24/10 at 4:57 pm to MiketheTiger69
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It's Crowton's offense. It's his style and what he runs. Les is stuck with it.
Even if Miles was heavily influencing the offense, people need to realize that all the plays are from Crowton's playbook. Lots of option routes for receivers, zone blocking scheme, etc.
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I watched the 07 game fri. night and it was the exact same crap we're seeing now as far as play calling except that Flynn did throw the ball downfield more
I agree to a certain extent. But the 2007 offense was more pro-style it seemed. A lot more power running from the I-formation and singleback. 2009-2010 seems more like a spread-option offense. (I'm tired of seeing the QB-read with Ridley. Let the kid build up some momentum running out of the I-formation)
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A new D line coach wouldn't hurt either but that is not as glaring a need as the others.
I'm actually somewhat pleased with the play of the D-line. Obviously they didn't perform up to expectations vs Auburn, but people forget how well Montgomery was playing before the injury and how well Nevis has played. D-line as a whole is much better than last year. Like Chavis, Brick has grown on me. I'm pretty happy with the entire defensive staff.
This post was edited on 10/24/10 at 4:58 pm
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