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re: Miles DID change his philosophy last night
Posted on 9/18/16 at 8:46 am to LsuFan_1955
Posted on 9/18/16 at 8:46 am to LsuFan_1955
Field position, fumbles, and penalties in the second half determined the performance, not the coaches.
Some hate Miles so much, that you ignore the facts and regurgitate negative statements.
Some hate Miles so much, that you ignore the facts and regurgitate negative statements.
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Posted on 9/18/16 at 8:49 am to LsuFan_1955
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First drive of second half: either a screen pass or short run, don't remember which. Pass to tight end that's overthrown. Touches his hand but can't bring it down. Pass on cross route over the middle, bad throw incomplete, punt. Can't blame Les here.
Second drive: Screen for -1. Fournette for 12. Offsides on State, Fournette fumble at midfield. Can't blame Les here.
Third drive: From our own 7 yard line...Run for 4, Run for 1, Pass complete for 20 yards called back by holding. Etling rush for 8 escaping pressure, 3 yards short. Punt. Can't blame Les when the play calling worked, called back for penalty (who was a center forced to play left tackle by 3 line injuries)
Fourth drive: From our 1 yard line...Fournette for 1, incomplete pass, Fournette for 11, first down. Fournette for 14, first down. Pass to Dural for 8. Guice for 3, first down. Pass to Chark for 11, first down. Fournette for 10, first down. Etling rush for 3. Chop block penalty for 15 yards...now 2nd and 22. Pass to Dupre for 17. Guice for 4. Fournette fumble on 4th and 1 from State's 35. Can't blame Les here either. Every call was good. The penalty hurt, and even it was overcome until the fumble.
Fifth Drive: Fournette for 2, End around for -4, Incomplete pass that was thrown away avoiding big time pressure. Punt. Questionable call on the end around, but after not showing anything special the entire half, if that play goes for 40, the Rant goes crazy. Les/Cam took a shot and State played it well.
We weren't good the second half, but it had nothing to do with a conservative O.
Don't get me wrong, I want Miles Gone and this is certainly his last year here, but we did not play conservatively and sit on the lead against state. A good argument can be made that we were overly aggressive and should have run more in the second half.
This post was edited on 9/18/16 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/18/16 at 8:49 am to omegaman66
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Miles did not change his philosophy. He gave control, probably forced too, to Cam
Yep, this..
Posted on 9/18/16 at 8:51 am to STEVED00
There were a couple possessions with vanilla play calling but it wasn't just that obviously although the last series was pretty bad play-wise.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:02 am to USMCTiger03
Yes he did change! fricking Miles went conservative! From NOLA.com, a reporter counted all the attempts per half:
That means 10 attempts in the 2nd. half! 50% less, and from another site Etling only attempted 4 passes in the 3rd. quarter! You sunshine pumpers need to go to hell!
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Etling hit 14 of 20 passes for 172 yards and a touchdown in the first half. His 37-yard TD throw to D.J. Chark gave LSU a 7-0 lead and the Tigers led 23-3 at halftime. He finished 19 of 30 for 215 yards.
That means 10 attempts in the 2nd. half! 50% less, and from another site Etling only attempted 4 passes in the 3rd. quarter! You sunshine pumpers need to go to hell!
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:05 am to STEVED00
Running lanes open up far more with DE throwing the ball around.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:05 am to LsuFan_1955
We also had about half the number of total plays in the second half.
We passed 44% of the time in the first half. We passed 40% of the time in the second half. Effectively the same run/pass ratio
We passed 44% of the time in the first half. We passed 40% of the time in the second half. Effectively the same run/pass ratio
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:06 am to STEVED00
The team that played the 1st half can compete with anyone. All 3 phases were very good, minus the kick out of bounds.
More than anything else in the 2nd half, the 2 fumbles by LF hurt us. More so than the play calling. Both drives were gonna end up TD's and either would have broke the spirit of State.
More than anything else in the 2nd half, the 2 fumbles by LF hurt us. More so than the play calling. Both drives were gonna end up TD's and either would have broke the spirit of State.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:11 am to STEVED00
At some point I said to myself we've really passes the ball more than ran it. Like I was actually wanting a toss dive at some points. It was a beautiful feeling.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:15 am to LsuFan_1955
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That means 10 attempts in the 2nd. half! 50% less, and from another site Etling only attempted 4 passes in the 3rd. quarter! You sunshine pumpers need to go to hell!
Bro, we ran 50% less total plays in the second half. Thus the run to pass ratio was about the same in both halfs. So if we had say 20 total plays in the first half and ran 10 times and passed 10 times then had only 10 total plays in the second half and ran 5 times and passed 5 times, we still threw and passed at the same rate in both halfs. Why is that so hard for y'all to understand.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:27 am to Golfer
The offense looked more similar to what cameron hs run in the past. Was glad to see it. He was always a little pass happy in the nfl. But its better than that thing we called an offense before
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:37 am to DamnStrong1860
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Bro, we ran 50% less total plays in the second half. Thus the run to pass ratio was about the same in both halfs. So if we had say 20 total plays in the first half and ran 10 times and passed 10 times then had only 10 total plays in the second hal
With Etling being dual threat with his legs, why not mix up shotgun in 2nd half with all those passes? He has natural escapabilify & more time to read the D from there was in a while.
The problem isn't the run/pass ratio this game. It's the "quality" like Les used to say. It was obvious from the 3rd qtr we were going into a shell again-- with conservative passes (yes deep 1 on 1 balls are conservative low TO passes)....no utilization of the middle of the field whatsoever passing.
That means the safeties can cheat on Leonard & get better angles on him. Lots of 2 man routes, 2 TE sets, etc. Great teams stay with what's working- Miles' teams nurse the lead like a breast feeding mother & it's aggravating to watch instead of going for the jugular.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:40 am to DamnStrong1860
Spreading some logic up in this b*the this am.. I like it
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:53 am to LsuFan_1955
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Yes he did change! fricking Miles went conservative! From NOLA.com, a reporter counted all the attempts per half:
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Etling hit 14 of 20 passes for 172 yards and a touchdown in the first half. His 37-yard TD throw to D.J. Chark gave LSU a 7-0 lead and the Tigers led 23-3 at halftime. He finished 19 of 30 for 215 yards.
That means 10 attempts in the 2nd. half! 50% less, and from another site Etling only attempted 4 passes in the 3rd. quarter! You sunshine pumpers need to go to hell!
So if we don't throw 40 times in a game, it's conservative? We had a big lead and the best RB in the country. Shut the frick up.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:54 am to DamnStrong1860
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A poster above broke down every single drive in the second half. Those drives fell apart through arguably bad calls by the officials, lack of execution and mental mistakes from the team.
From my thread last night...
First drive of second half: either a screen pass or short run, don't remember which. Pass to tight end that's overthrown. Touches his hand but can't bring it down. Pass on cross route over the middle, bad throw incomplete, punt. Can't blame Les here.
Second drive: Screen for -1. Fournette for 12. Offsides on State, Fournette fumble at midfield. Can't blame Les here.
Third drive: From our own 7 yard line...Run for 4, Run for 1, Pass complete for 20 yards called back by holding. Etling rush for 8 escaping pressure, 3 yards short. Punt. Can't blame Les when the play calling worked, called back for penalty (who was a center forced to play left tackle by 3 line injuries)
Fourth drive: From our 1 yard line...Fournette for 1, incomplete pass, Fournette for 11, first down. Fournette for 14, first down. Pass to Dural for 8. Guice for 3, first down. Pass to Chark for 11, first down. Fournette for 10, first down. Etling rush for 3. Chop block penalty for 15 yards...now 2nd and 22. Pass to Dupre for 17. Guice for 4. Fournette fumble on 4th and 1 from State's 35. Can't blame Les here either. Every call was good. The penalty hurt, and even it was overcome until the fumble.
Fifth Drive: Fournette for 2, End around for -4, Incomplete pass that was thrown away avoiding big time pressure. Punt. Questionable call on the end around, but after not showing anything special the entire half, if that play goes for 40, the Rant goes crazy. Les/Cam took a shot and State played it well.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:58 am to LsuFan_1955
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That means 10 attempts in the 2nd. half! 50% less, and from another site Etling only attempted 4 passes in the 3rd. quarter! You sunshine pumpers need to go to hell!
There were also 2 pass plays called back for penalties and I believe 2 pass plays that Etling scrambled out of. And we ran less plays overall, so your argument is invalid. Surprise, surprise.
Never mind the fact that we were getting 6 yards per carry with Fournette. He just happened to fumble twice which doesn't normally happen.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:03 am to STEVED00
With the exception of the last drive I agree. That was "I trust my defense more than my offense" play calling at its finest
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:47 am to DamnStrong1860
What happened after the first fumble? Three and out LSU got the ball back.
Second fumble was on forth down.
Sloppy pentalties that kill drives is and always has been a staple of a Miles run offense.
I've said this before the season. If Miles changes his play calling to more passing and different plays being run in a game he will be even more out of his element. The whole philosophy has to change and it had to be done in the off season. The bottom line is this team is not (focused) enough to run a more spread type offense constantly because the game is to fast for the head man to comprehend. His whole mind set would have to change and quite frankly I believe its to late in his career to do that, exspecially when he's doing it begrudgingly
Second fumble was on forth down.
Sloppy pentalties that kill drives is and always has been a staple of a Miles run offense.
I've said this before the season. If Miles changes his play calling to more passing and different plays being run in a game he will be even more out of his element. The whole philosophy has to change and it had to be done in the off season. The bottom line is this team is not (focused) enough to run a more spread type offense constantly because the game is to fast for the head man to comprehend. His whole mind set would have to change and quite frankly I believe its to late in his career to do that, exspecially when he's doing it begrudgingly
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:53 am to omegaman66
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Miles did not change his philosophy. He gave control, probably forced too, to Cam.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:55 am to STEVED00
I think losing our opener for the first time under Les will end up being a blessing disquise.
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