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re: Miles bashing
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:47 am to Tigerpaul1969
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:47 am to Tigerpaul1969
quote:But half the team isn't in jail. Look outside of the record and the numbers, numbers aren't everything, perception is important.
Oh and how has Miami done since firing Coker? Randy Shannon is 21-17, compared to Coker's 60-15. Shannon's lost more games in his three seasons than Coker lost in 6 but Miami was heading in the wrong direction under Coker?
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Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:48 am to Tigerdandy
quote:
I don't give a shite about perception.
Neither do I, but I would not classify Les as a Top 10 coach.
I think Les is an above-average coach when you consider all aspects of coaching at the college level. I think he's in the Top 25 of college coaches.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:49 am to blackjackjackson
quote:Yes, he does. He owes us winning football.
he don't owe you shite.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:50 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Yes, he does. He owes us winning football.
Even through his 51 victories, he still owed you something........
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:41 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
I think Les is an above-average coach when you consider all aspects of coaching at the college level
That's a reasonable view.
I look at results when I try try to evaluate anything in the sports world cause I think results are non-conjecture/non-bias based meaurments.
Looking at results over the past 5 seasons of LSU football, I would have to say Miles ranks higher than a simple "in the Top 25 of college coaches". A NC, won 3 seasons into a tour of duty, separates a HC from 99% of his coaching peers just by itself. Add on the career wins, the poll rankings, SEC wins, SECWC and the like and I have to place the man in or close to the top 10 to this point of time.
No doubt LSU has dropped from the 05-07 time period, but my jury has yet to come in on Miles. The next 2 seasons, and yes he will be here 2 more seasons unless he walks on his own, will tell us all what we need to know and it will give a NC HC time to show if he still has the ability to lead LSU to west and SEC championships or not. imo
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:50 am to Lonnie4LSU
Last year I bashed his every move. I've always been a glass half-empty/strive to improve type..
However, I've seen some guys on here appeal this way, and I agree: I'd rather see us do better this year, have success against Bama, go to the SEC championship or even better...basically have success now with our not so stellar coach. INSTEAD of having a mediocre season or 2, where he must go and our program goes through the hurdles of a coaching change. Even if it means we end up better on the back side.
However, I've seen some guys on here appeal this way, and I agree: I'd rather see us do better this year, have success against Bama, go to the SEC championship or even better...basically have success now with our not so stellar coach. INSTEAD of having a mediocre season or 2, where he must go and our program goes through the hurdles of a coaching change. Even if it means we end up better on the back side.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:52 am to Uncommon Cents
quote:
Wow. Some talk show hosts in AR-KANSAS bash Miles. This is soul shattering news. You did say AR-KANSAS didn't you? Renowed around the world for????????????????????????? Wal-Mart and?????????????????????????????????????????
You cant say that some of his soundbites aren't funny. Nobody was bashing him. Get over your butthurt self.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:56 am to Lonnie4LSU
Top 5 (Elite):
1. Nick Saban
2. Urban Meyer
3. Mack Brown
4. Jim Tressel
5. Bob Stoops
Next 4 (almost elite):
6. Frank Beamer
7. Jo Pa
8. Mark Richt
9. Rich Rodriguez
Non-elite, but coaches I consider "better" than Miles:
10. Chip Kelly
11. Gary Patterson
12. Brian Kelly
13. Bo Pelini
14. Butch Davis
Coaches that are "debateably" better than Miles:
15. Chris Peterson
16. Tommy Tuberville
17. Mike Riley
18. Bobby Petrino
1. Nick Saban
2. Urban Meyer
3. Mack Brown
4. Jim Tressel
5. Bob Stoops
Next 4 (almost elite):
6. Frank Beamer
7. Jo Pa
8. Mark Richt
9. Rich Rodriguez
Non-elite, but coaches I consider "better" than Miles:
10. Chip Kelly
11. Gary Patterson
12. Brian Kelly
13. Bo Pelini
14. Butch Davis
Coaches that are "debateably" better than Miles:
15. Chris Peterson
16. Tommy Tuberville
17. Mike Riley
18. Bobby Petrino
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:58 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
Next 4 (almost elite):
6. Frank Beamer
7. Jo Pa
8. Mark Richt
9. Rich Rodriguez
Joe PA is the almost elite one in this group. However I would take Miles over Richt.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:58 am to Tigerpaul1969
quote:
how has Miami done since firing Coker?
Not well. Unfortunately for them, they failed to see the writing on the wall soon enough and waited until he had pretty much gutted the program before making a change. Then, they had a major rebuilding job to do, and they are still only part of the way through it. Had they acted sooner, they would have had less work to do. Had they kept Coker, they'd be at rock bottom and still waiting to start an even longer rebuilding process.
Tennessee made a similar mistake with their national championship-winning coach, and now they are in the midst of a rebuilding process, too.
LSU is next.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:00 pm to dukke v
quote:
However I would take Miles over Richt.
Richt has been consistently good at school that is in one of the most competitive recruiting grounds in the country. Consistency is a big plus for me.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:06 pm to LaronLandry
quote:
Only a retard would look at his record of achivements and conclude that they were accomplished by a dolt
ehh sorry buddy youre way off on this one.
the perception of Miles around the country is that hes not the sharpest tool in the shed.
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:15 pm to ArkBengal
people like to bash les. he's unconventional.
tv has little respect for him because he's not in a media market where there was success before. like with florida and urban, or nick with bama.
people didnt use to talk about nick either when lsu was here. espn loved him for 1 month before the nc game, and didn't love him again until he went to alabama. louisiana is not a money state with the media and what not.
now the fans, they're stupid. they're so worried about trying to get a better coach that they dont realize how good this one is. they'll learn one day. did the same thing with nick now look, people in here would love to get on their knees infront of prick saban.
tv has little respect for him because he's not in a media market where there was success before. like with florida and urban, or nick with bama.
people didnt use to talk about nick either when lsu was here. espn loved him for 1 month before the nc game, and didn't love him again until he went to alabama. louisiana is not a money state with the media and what not.
now the fans, they're stupid. they're so worried about trying to get a better coach that they dont realize how good this one is. they'll learn one day. did the same thing with nick now look, people in here would love to get on their knees infront of prick saban.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:27 pm to jrich11
quote:True.
WelcomeToDeathValley
the perception of Miles around the country is that hes not the sharpest tool in the shed.
quote:That's a euphemism for saying he's a clown.
jrich11
people like to bash les. he's unconventional.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:30 pm to jrich11
Miles positives:
Good recruiter
Nice guy (helps with recruiting with high school coaches, family, etc..)
Negatives:
Doesn't make coaching changes quickly enough (fire crowton)
Gameday decisions are questionable. Ok suck sometimes.
Can't speak well publically. He has the "want" to but just can't.
If he has good coordinators, as we've seen with the turnaround on defense, I think we can be competative with him at the helm. If he pulls a Denardo/Teppor fiasco then he needs to go.
Good recruiter
Nice guy (helps with recruiting with high school coaches, family, etc..)
Negatives:
Doesn't make coaching changes quickly enough (fire crowton)
Gameday decisions are questionable. Ok suck sometimes.
Can't speak well publically. He has the "want" to but just can't.
If he has good coordinators, as we've seen with the turnaround on defense, I think we can be competative with him at the helm. If he pulls a Denardo/Teppor fiasco then he needs to go.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:34 pm to TigerWilson88
He's a CEO coach.
CEO coaches are normally as good as their coordinators. Plus, he's a hell of a recruiter and the players seem to like playing for him. He does struggle instill discipline in my opinion.
You give me Les Miles, a good OC, and a good DC, and I think we're set.
CEO coaches are normally as good as their coordinators. Plus, he's a hell of a recruiter and the players seem to like playing for him. He does struggle instill discipline in my opinion.
You give me Les Miles, a good OC, and a good DC, and I think we're set.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:37 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
Richt has been consistently good at school that is in one of the most competitive recruiting grounds in the country. Consistency is a big plus for me.
He needs to win a sec title game to put him near elite status. However I do agree with your post.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:38 pm to dukke v
quote:
He needs to win a sec title game to put him near elite status.
Apparently, you forgot LSU's 2005 SEC Championship appearance.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:40 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
6. Frank Beamer
7. Jo Pa
8. Mark Richt
9. Rich Rodriguez
Rich frickin Rodriguez? Seriously?
Posted on 7/29/10 at 12:42 pm to Choctaw
quote:
Rich frickin Rodriguez? Seriously?
I would take Rodriguez in a second.
If Michigan gives him time, he's going to do well. Most people don't realize just how bare Michigan was when Carr left.
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