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Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:36 am to lsupride87
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Coker went 11-2 his third year, same as Les did for his national championship in his third year
And as his recruiting classes began to be the majority of the team?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:13 pm to LNCHBOX
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That guy is top 5 dumbest poster though. The dude called me nega
:rotflmao: Post of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:22 pm to LNCHBOX
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That guy is top 5 dumbest poster though. The dude called me nega
Where did he say this?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:34 pm to LNCHBOX
Is Mack Brown elite? If not when did he become not elite? You said yourself one season is not a career make. How does Mack compare to Miles?
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:39 pm to nm1230
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How does Mack compare to Miles?
Pretty damn closely. We are seeing something similar. Part of fanbase sees winning percentage going down and an older coach stuck in his ways refusing to change. Anorther part sees past wins and a tough division being the cause. Either Miles will get it together or he will not. At least we will get a straight forward answer in this regard.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:41 pm to nm1230
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Is Mack Brown elite? If not when did he become not elite? You said yourself one season is not a career make. How does Mack compare to Miles?
You let me know when Les misses a bowl game, and you can compare them all you like. Les has not fallen like Mack has. Not yet.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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The dude called me nega
I remember that...........
He has called me a pussy a ton of times ...Its very comical and I haven't seen him since before the arkie game....... Go figure.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:46 pm to LNCHBOX
Miles is the head coach. And yes Chavis is somewhat responsible but Les had the most frick ups.
Don't blame Chavis for Les loss
Don't blame Chavis for Les loss
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:47 pm to SammyTiger
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But now he had run the program into the ground.
5th in the west is nothing to be ashamed about this year.
it sucks, but at the same time the West is crazy good.
The west is crazy good but we have to beat aTm for 5th place. I can't see the bright side of that. This season where at the bottom of the West. Don't make excuses. We are who we are that's a team trying not to finish in 6th place
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:47 pm to Reames239
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Miles is the head coach.
So then he also gets credit for the amazing defense we have most of the time?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:48 pm to LNCHBOX
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Is Mack Brown elite? If not when did he become not elite? You said yourself one season is not a career make. How does Mack compare to Miles?
You let me know when Les misses a bowl game, and you can compare them all you like. Les has not fallen like Mack has. Not yet.
I just read earlier when you said "one season is not a career make". Now you are saying Mack was fired because he missed a bowl in 2010? What was his record aside from that year?
So which is it? You think Mack fell pretty far and deserved to get pushed out or do you think he should be there still since his record is elite? Or is it not elite? Just asking.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:49 pm to nm1230
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I just read earlier when you said "one season is not a career make". Now you are saying Mack was fired because he missed a bowl in 2010?
Did I say he was fired for only that?
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So which is it?
Considering I never said he was fired for one year...
ETA: Find me where Les has had back to back losing conference records.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:53 pm to LNCHBOX
Just answer whether or not you think Mack was elite based on his winning %?
And if you believe he is not elite at what point did he become not elite?
Why are you answering questions with questions??
And if you believe he is not elite at what point did he become not elite?
Why are you answering questions with questions??
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:56 pm to nm1230
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Just answer whether or not you think Mack was elite based on his winning %
He was, it's not really debatable. then he throw up a losing season, and a losing conference record after that.
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And if you believe he is not elite at what point did he become not elite?
See above.
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Why are you answering questions with questions??
Because apparently you could not figure out this stuff on your own.
So show me where Les's lows has been anything like Mack's lows, and we can continue this discussion.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:08 pm to LNCHBOX
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So show me where Les's lows has been anything like Mack's lows, and we can continue this discussion.
I'm not saying they have. I'm trying to establish at what point you believe an elite coach is no longer elite by using Mack's situation. Which I believe is comparable.
I don't think what has happened this season is fire-able. I'm not screaming to fire the guy. I realize it's not going to happen.
I just see similarities to Mack. I think Miles was a good coach who is probably past his prime. I also think the west is better and the landscape is changing.
It is my opinion that he can't get LSU back to another national championship. You don't have to agree with it.
My main reason for asking is this.... when you finally acknowledge that it is trending downward or when you finally believe he is no longer the guy to get LSU to the championship will it be too late?
I don't think he has another 2011 in him. Throw out that year and TM7's heroics and he's more or less a 3 loss guy. Which is great for winning % but I'm not sure it's going to get LSU championships moving forward.
Throw in the clock management stuff, the atrocious offense, and the stubbornness, and the fact that he seems to be getting lapped by his predecessor and that's why this fan base is losing faith.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:12 pm to nm1230
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Which I believe is comparable.
How? Have we had a losing season? Have we had losing conference records back to back?
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when you finally acknowledge that it is trending downward or when you finally believe he is no longer the guy to get LSU to the championship will it be too late?
I said we are in a downward trend this year. But it's only been this year.
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I don't think he has another 2011 in him.
In 2008 people were saying the same stuff.
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Throw out that year and TM7's heroics and he's more or less a 3 loss guy.
If only you could arbitrarily ignore all the stats that don't help your argument. It doesn't work that way.
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and the fact that he seems to be getting lapped by his predecessor
Taking a clearly superior team to overtime is being lapped?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:25 pm to LNCHBOX
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How? Have we had a losing season? Have we had losing conference records back to back?
You are hanging your hat on his career winning % at LSU but then saying "one season is not a career make" to establish what is and isn't elite. The fact is he's been mediocre in conference. And when I say comparable to Mack I mean in his overall career arc. Again, I'm not trying to make you agree. It's clear to me that you'll be with him until the bitter end.
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I said we are in a downward trend this year. But it's only been this year.
So if LSU loses 4 games next year how does that mean we're trending up and in the clear?
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If only you could arbitrarily ignore all the stats that don't help your argument. It doesn't work that way.
I don't need stats to see that in 2007 he lost to two mediocre less talented conference conference teams and in 2011 he had a superman bailing his arse out. Again, I'm trying to convince you of it. I saw it and I'm sure many other did. But keep staring at that winning % if it makes you feel better in the long run.
quote:Lapped as in losing to him the last 4 teams they have faced. Lapped as in losing top in state recruits to him. Lapped as in they have won 3 national championships since Miles got his.
Taking a clearly superior team to overtime is being lapped?
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:28 pm to nm1230
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The fact is he's been mediocre in conference
Sure. quote:
And when I say comparable to Mack I mean in his overall career arc.
So show me a similar arc.
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Again, I'm not trying to make you agree. It's clear to me that you'll be with him until the bitter end.
I'm open to your opinion, but make a better argument.
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So if LSU loses 4 games next year how does that mean we're trending up and in the clear?
Did I say it did?
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I don't need stats to see that in 2007 he lost to two mediocre less talented conference conference teams and in 2011 he had a superman bailing his arse out.
OK, I officially won't take you seriously. Good lord.
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Lapped as in losing top in state recruits to him
Have you met our top rated recruits from the state of Alabama that Saban didn't get? Or does that not matter?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:30 pm to LNCHBOX
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Taking a clearly superior team to overtime is being lapped?
Well to be fair....I wouldn't exactly say HE did it. The D and the backs were leading the way.
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